The Holocaust

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July 31st, 2008 at 08:22pm
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And yes, there are people who deny the holocaust. Modern Day skin heads, and Neo-Nazi's mostly. I even saw a show where these girls had the audacity to say "I doubt six million jews even existed." It is ridiculous. Especially since there is video taped evidence of the holocaust. I believe, a British solider filmed them storming into a Concentration Camp- my teacher tried showing it to us but I believe she wasn't allowed to because it was that horrible.


Exactly, that is ridiculous considering there's so much evidence, not just video-taped but written, photographic, spoken...there's been countless spoken reports by victims of the Holocaust which I highly doubt would have been made up for sympathy, which some Neo-Nazis believe that it was. Also, what is the likelihood that there would be that much consistency between stories from so many people?

About the videos: we watched so many in my history course last year, some of which explicitly showed bodies being pushed into ovens in the crematorium, the cattle trucks used to take prisoners to the camps, prisoners queueing up outside gas chambers, naked, prisoners being forced to hand over their possessions as they enter... even people being shot by German army officers as they try to escape, or being thrown into a pit on top of freshly dead bodies and shot.

Not only that, but I've been to Sachenhausen concentration camp just north of Berlin. I've been inside the huts where prisoners were kept, I've stood in a pit where bodies would be thrown, and I've been inside the crematoriums and testing rooms. I've seen the exercise yard, I've seen the pole in the yard where prisoners would be hung upside down and have ice-cold water dripped slowly onto their naked bodies until it froze onto their skin for hours on end as punishment. I've seen the chute that people who tried to escape would be lowered down and kept underground with no light and no human contact for months, sometimes years, being thrown just enough food to keep themselves alive so that they would have to make the choice of keeping themselves alive but starving day after day, or refusing food and choosing to die. I know that all these things existed and I know what they were used for. You still get people who will insist that all these buildings and all the stories that come with them were just built as part of an elaborate hoax to try and fool people into thinking that the holocaust actually happened. But there's just such a feeling of melancholy around the place, you can't even deny it. I'm not into superstitions or vibes or 'feelings' in the slightest, and it sounds so typical but there aren't even any birds. It's just so quiet.

Seriously, if you want to see a group of thirty or so rowdy teenagers completely silent, take them to a concentration camp and make them look around.

Oh, and also, when we visited some of the huts that the prisoners were kept in, our guide made us look up at the beams, and he showed us where the paint was peeling off and a lot of the beams and the surrounding wall were warped and broken in some places. This is because a group of Neo-Nazis, teenagers our age, broke into the camp and tried to burn down the huts. This wasn't after the liberation, this was in the 1990s.

If the Holocaust was all a lie or a hoax, then why go to such pains to prove that it didn't happen?

I love learning about the Holocaust, but It's honestly sickening.
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July 31st, 2008 at 08:44pm
It is absolutely sickening....
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July 31st, 2008 at 11:02pm
And it's still happening. Obivously not the original Holocaust in the sense of what happened under the rule of the Nazis, but 'ethnic cleansing' is still going on.

It happened in Rwanda in '94, and it's happening in Iraq and the Sudan right now.
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August 1st, 2008 at 02:16am
Would you believe that some schools in america are beginning to teach that this never even happened?!
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August 1st, 2008 at 02:40am
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Would you believe that some schools in america are beginning to teach that this never even happened?!


I don't want to believe it, but I do. OMG NO!
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August 1st, 2008 at 03:02pm
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Would you believe that some schools in america are beginning to teach that this never even happened?!


I don't want to believe it, but I do. OMG NO!


That is really, really awful...
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August 6th, 2008 at 11:31pm
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Would you believe that some schools in america are beginning to teach that this never even happened?!

Seriously? Ugh.
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August 8th, 2008 at 07:36am
My mom refused to buy a German car for this reason. Her father's wife and child died in the holocaust, 10 years before she was born. It's horrible.
I went to a Jewish school for over 10 years, and I've learned a LOT about the holocaust. Unlike some of the schools that try and cover it up, or blame the Jews for everything, my teachers taught me the whole story: from the over crazy man to the millions who died. I've been to holocaust museums before, and they're very, very sad.

If you'd like to know more about it, I suggest you go to a Holocaust museum. They're actually really cool, filled with pictures and actual videos. There's also this tour called the March of the Living, which takes you around to see the big concentration camps and such. I would love to go, because the Holocaust has always interested me. Yes, it's horrible, but it's so... interesting that one man's power could destroy millions.

Learning so much about the Holocaust is the main reason I stopped beleiving in any type of religion... I don't want to be a part of something that can destroy millions of lives and cause this much drama.
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August 8th, 2008 at 09:04pm
Here in England, the only thing History teachers are required to teach by law is the Holocaust.

I think it's stupid saying that German's are nazi's though. It's stupid boxing a country into a category like that. I'm quarter Polish and people take the piss of me for it. I've actually been told to "go back to your concentration camp." Sick, huh?
I do know people and am related to people who were killed and prosecuted by the nazi's, my uncle was shot by them. But only for being Polish, I don't have any Jewish heritage ..
Plus I have German cousins and to categorize them as "nazi's" and shun them for being German is totally ridiculous. I won't deny there are some German's (and people of other nationalities) still around, that consider the Holocaust was right. However most German's are truly ashamed that such a dreadful event as it was is stamped on their countries history forever. But there's nothing they can do about it, not now.
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August 9th, 2008 at 06:37am
The 'all Germans are nazis' thing is insane.
I had a Jewish friend in elementary that was German, and she was bullied all the time... other Jews from our school would call her a nazi.

Now how does that make sense?
It's so stupid. Nazis are nazis. Germans are germans. Jews are jews. Get used to it.
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August 10th, 2008 at 02:35pm
^ You are completely right.

Not all the Germans at that time agreed with what was going on, anyway.
Germans and Germany itself should no longer be associated with the tragedies of WWII.
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September 7th, 2008 at 08:57pm
I simply hate how the Holocaust could have happened. I thought human beings were smarter than that, even to let it happen in the first place.

I watched a movie in History two years ago, "Escape From Sobibor", and it nearly brought me to tears. Really, it should've had the whole class greeting, but I guess no one really cares anymore.

Even though it was such a horrible event, I loved studying it in school. There's something about the mistakes of humankind that fascinates me, and well, this is one of the biggest mistakes ever made.

Thinking about the sheer amount of people who died...I try not to think about it. It really upsets me. The Holocaust was just a show to tell us how worthless we are to some people.
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September 9th, 2008 at 09:58pm
Porcelain Heart:
Would you believe that some schools in america are beginning to teach that this never even happened?!



WTF!?

Here in Scotland, they have to teach it along with Adolf Hitler and the recession in Germany etc.
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September 12th, 2008 at 12:03pm

They weren't allowed to teach it here for a while, as far as I know.
My sisters had to get mum to teach them about it because they were really curious.
I'm glad they teach it now; it's a really important part of history.
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September 12th, 2008 at 12:21pm
I think The Holocaust is an amazing subject to learn about. It's so interesting knowing what happened to all the Jews and all the stuff about concentration camps. It just draws me in.

I heard about some schools in England not teaching it because it offended some of the students there because of the whole 'it didn't happen' thing. I think it is a very important part of history.
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September 24th, 2008 at 01:31pm
I think it's an important part of history.
It should be taught, and schools can't just pretend it didn't happen.
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September 24th, 2008 at 02:47pm
The Holocaust is something you need to know about so that it doesn't happen again. So the same mistakes are not repeated.

I went to the Holocaust museum earlier this and I came out crying. I know people who have survived this, and you can produce adequate words to describe the horrors they've gone through. What you hear is just the tiniest fraction of what they experienced. And even that is moving, and horrifying.

The children of the Holocaust survivors even show symptoms their parents had. I would classify it one of most horrifying things I've heard of and it is essential to history in my opinion.

The people who've survived are simply lucky and some are just absolutely courageous though they do not realise it. I'll shut up now.....
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September 24th, 2008 at 10:54pm
It was truly a horrible thing to have happened, but I honestly find it one of the most facsinating things in history.

Unfortunatly it's never come up in school like, specifically. I learnt about it in Year 5, but obviously that was a very, very watered down version.
I was interested to learn more about it in my GCSEs and we ended up working on the time period before that, like how Hitler got to power.
Then I hoped to do it in my A-Levels, but we're not doing anything based on that, so I'm a little disappointed.

I think it is one of the most disturbing and horrific things to have ever happened, but I believe that it is 100% necesary for people to know about it so that it can't happen again. There are people denying it, and honestly, I find that kind of worrying. :S
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September 25th, 2008 at 09:26am
I don't like that you only get taught about the Holocaust if you pick certain electives.
I think I learn about it properly first semester next year, in my year 11 history class, according to the booklet, because we do 'modern' history. Like, 1940 till now.
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October 5th, 2008 at 08:52pm
I went to Poland in the summer, so I saw what some of this did.

I went to Krakow. There was a ghetto where the Jews used to live, and the population of the Jews in Krakow was greatly decreased by Hitler and his Nazis. The Sinagogues were all destroyed apart from one - and what the Jews did was clever. When the Nazis came in they disguised it as being a rubbish dump, and so it wasn't destroyed.

I also went to Auschwitz - the largest extermination camp built by the Germans. It was utterly awful, they take you into the gas chamber and you can see the holes in the pipes where the gas used to come out, and then in the room next to it you see the big ovens they used to burn the bodies. It's all preserved, none of it is re-creation. They also have all the suitcases with the families' names still on and all the shoes, children's toys... It gave my little sister nightmares.

And all the people taken there didn't know what they were going to, they were told they were going there to work. When they got there they were told to put their bags down and were separated into two groups. All the people who looked like they could work were put in one line and those who didn't were put in another. Those who didn't look tough enough were taken to the chambers and gassed straight away, right after they got off the train that led into Auschwitz. Then the ones left to work were told by the Nazis that they were going to die, they weren't going to die straight away but would work so hard that they'd die soon - all this information was recieved by people talking to those who surivied after the liberation.

Anne Frank went to Auschwitz before being transported to a different concentration camp, where she died of typhus a few months before its liberation, a few days after her sister. Her father survived Auschwitz.

It just seems crazy that no one knew what was going on outside, and even though they had an idea no one investigated or interrupted because they were too scared of Hitler. It's crazy that no one worked out that thousands and thousands of people were being taken to these concentration and extermination camps and no one realised that none of them were coming out again, they were just being filtered in and no one noticed until the British or Russians (and some other countries) went in and liberated them. It's also crazy that this only happened 60 years ago.