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shotgun opera
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 1771 | June 22nd, 2008 at 07:49am FrankieMonster:
Comparing Sweden to USA really makes no sense, because the two countries are nothing alike.
I'm kinda clueless on this,
but don't they have the same basic system of laws?
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FrankieMonster
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Age: 20
Gender: Female
Posts: 1247 | June 22nd, 2008 at 08:29am ^ Not really.
And when it comes to the crimerate, talking about 9/11 especially, Sweden has never had anything like that going on.
Sweden isn't close to being as bad as USA when it comes to crimes and terrorism. Hey, I don't even know if I've heard about there being any real terrorism going on in Sweden for atleast five years or so... |
kafka.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3011 | June 22nd, 2008 at 12:03pm FrankieMonster:^ Not really.
And when it comes to the crimerate, talking about 9/11 especially, Sweden has never had anything like that going on.
Sweden isn't close to being as bad as USA when it comes to crimes and terrorism. Hey, I don't even know if I've heard about there being any real terrorism going on in Sweden for atleast five years or so... Didn't Sweden help the US/NATO fight in Iraq, Afghanistan such?
No-one thought terrorist attacks could happen in Madrid or London until they did.
>_> |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3415 | June 22nd, 2008 at 04:54pm FrankieMonster:Comparing Sweden to USA really makes no sense, because the two countries are nothing alike.
Comparing your attitude about the possibility of terrorism and the attitude of pre-9/11 America makes perfect sense. |
The Doctor
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Posts: 2951 | June 23rd, 2008 at 12:35pm It does creep me out, the idea of it, particularly the really...weird stuff...I talk about but it's just something in a long line of the ABCs.
ACTIVATING EVENT: 9/11 etc etc.
BELIEFS: OMG TERRORISTS EVERYWHERE!
CONSEQUENCES: Moniter! Sever the links between terrorists! Protect! Protect!
Basics. |
michael.aleksander
Amateur Author
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Posts: 138 | June 23rd, 2008 at 06:39pm Imagine the gossip copnversations in THAT workplace! |
Almost Famous
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Posts: 446 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:04pm This might already happen all over the world and we're not told. Yeah, it's against human rights, but what we know we can't get annoyed about.
(I used to work with someone who was hooked on conspiracies, he filled my head with a lot of things). |
Kurtni O'Hara
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Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3415 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:16pm AlmostFamous:This might already happen all over the world and we're not told. What do you mean not told?  Most countries do have laws like this and all laws are public record. |
Almost Famous
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Posts: 446 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:22pm But how do you know this? For fact? You don't want to get me started on this, first time I heard it I freaked and I couldn't sleep. My work mate filled my head with this junk.
Yes we have laws, and human rights, but what if we're just told this to keep everyone happy and believing they have control? Honestly, this stuff shits me up more than any horror film. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3415 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:25pm AlmostFamous:But how do you know this? How do I know what? |
Almost Famous
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Posts: 446 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:28pm That they have to tell us. |
Kurtni O'Hara
Database Error
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 3415 | June 23rd, 2008 at 07:52pm AlmostFamous:That they have to tell us.
That's not what I said. I said most countries already had "told us". These aren't new policies in most countries. |
Almost Famous
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Posts: 446 | June 23rd, 2008 at 10:01pm No, what I'm saying is they could have been watching us since WW2, in a lot more ways than you think. |
Paige M.D.
Cliché Catastrophe
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 411 | August 23rd, 2008 at 07:48am Horrible. |
Skrillex.
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Posts: 1172 | August 23rd, 2008 at 06:08pm Wow..
But I guess Sweden elected the people that passed this law.
And they're doing it for safety I guess? |
skywolf
Writer's Block
Age: 14
Gender: Male
Posts: 10 | September 21st, 2008 at 12:40am "just because someones watching its no reason not to dance". This is obviously a metaphor i dont agree with it either but dont let it get you to down. |
Freddie Mercury.
Grammar Guru
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Posts: 5561 | September 21st, 2008 at 02:08pm Make sure you use proper capitalization and whatnot on the boards ^
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Laws are put in place to keep people and countries safe and in order.
I'm sure the gov. wouldn't have done this if they didn't see it fit. |
FrancyPansy
Fanfic Fanatic
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Posts: 1294 | September 24th, 2008 at 09:31pm Kurtni St. Cyr:You didn't answer my question, so I will. The Swedish people did, so who is to blame here?
And to be honest it's almost insulting for you to say your country has no freedom. When you live under a communist dictatorship in Cuba, or Saudi Arabia and have no freedom of speech or religion, then we'll talk. When you live in Sudan and your government supports genocides aimed at you, then you'll have no freedom. The fact that you're able to criticize your government and speak out against legislation shows that you do have freedom.
I don't think it is insulting to say that her country doesn't have freedom. Maybe it is not the truth cuz like you said, it is no communist country. Yet, just because you live in a democracy doesn't necessary mean you have a lot of freedorm or rights or any other form of political participation.
Because, even if it were the Sweden people who elected the government, the politicans make the decisions, not the Sweden people. And like we all do know, politicans aren't always honest (they are barely honest..). They promise things they can't keep in the end just so they get elected.
Sweden is also a member of the European Union which means it makes things complicater. I don't exactly know how politic works in Sweden so I just can say an example from Austria.
If we decide on laws here, the European Union is allowed to make some vetos or anything else. They can force a country to make a new law, even if many politicans are against it and the public has no rights to vote on that.
So I can understand if FrankieMonster is saying that her country sucks and that she feels like there is no freedom cuz if there were real freedom, the public would have the right to vote on nearly everything. |
oreo cookie.
Ink Slinger
Age: 14
Gender: Female
Posts: 882 | September 26th, 2008 at 06:40am It happens in loads of countries. It happens in my country. We've got the spy base, which is actually in my town. It got broken into, & the domes were ripped so that they weren't all puffed up, just because of some dickheads thinking that the whole invasion of privacy thing wasn't kool.
I'm for it; I don't want terrorism in my country, thanks! |
Anastasia.
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Gender: Female
Posts: 294 | September 26th, 2008 at 05:48pm You (the persons who are not from Sweden) all need to understand that yes, we elected this party who are now in charge, but they didn't quite inform the Swedish people properly about the FRA-law. They just threw the law at us, and many were outrageous about this, because it is intruding on our privacy. Human rights, yeah?
It's pure stupidity that our government should be able to listen and read everything we say or do and store it on a computer base, because, for crying out loud, this is Sweden! Sweden, people! We are one of the most neutral countries in the world, no one wants us any harm, and we feel as if they are just doing this because they can. Of course there are bigger problems in the world, but for Sweden, this is huge. |
