Irish Civil War.

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SuperciliousDeity Writer's Block Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 37	August 24th, 2008 at 03:57pm My favourite part of history. The IRA was just so darn interesting. Does anyone agree/care to start a debate on the matter?
loociel Writer's Block Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 11	September 12th, 2008 at 07:55pm It's a subject I'm interested in but I don't know much about. I would like to know more but I just don't have the time to look into it properly.. I'm doing it at school next year though so I'll learn then. ^-^
skywolf Writer's Block Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 10	September 23rd, 2008 at 10:31pm I think there quite intresting and were helpful at the start such as inthe 1920s but then from the 1960s onwards were just a hinderance.I myself am more intrested in Micheal Collins although I dont belive in violence as a way of getting things done I think the spy network was brillant.What do you think of the 1916 rising.
sunshines Fanfic Fanatic Age: 25 Gender: Male Posts: 2569	September 24th, 2008 at 02:50pm I don't know much about it, but this tension between both England and Ireland has fascinated me. We learnt about it in Religion but not much about the IRA. Wasn't the main reason for war was to be independent from England?
skywolf Writer's Block Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 10	September 24th, 2008 at 10:07pm That was the war of independace.The civil war was when those who supported de valera ( anti treaty) fought against those who supported micheal collins(pro treaty)The treaty was when we became idependent it was signed by micheal collins,winston churchill and others. De valera who was president at the time didnt go to the treaty negotions.The reason some were against the treaty was because we lost 6 countys and our government still had to swear alligence to the king spits.Some think the reason de valera didn't go to the negotions was as he knew that we would not get what we wanted.I can assure you that the tension between England and Ireland still exits.
sunshines Fanfic Fanatic Age: 25 Gender: Male Posts: 2569	September 25th, 2008 at 12:08pm ^^Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised if it still exists. I mean after years of oppression Ireland had suffered from England, memories like that just don't suddenly vanish. Still having to swear allegiance to the King is a really disturbing. We had to do that decades ago. In Gallipoli Day a couple years back we reenacted a typical Australian school class from the 1920's. Yeah, I got the imaginary strap ten times and one for not pronouncing allegiance to the King. Counties? What are those? Yes, stupid question
supernova. Grammar Guru Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 3775	September 28th, 2008 at 12:04pm ^ Well, maybe not for the adults of Ireland and Northern Ireland. The new generation of children are growing, though, in the most peaceful Northern Ireland has been since the Troubles started - I don't think they'd want to bring violence back to the country. I don't think there's been much violence in Ireland itself since they were granted independence, so I don't see a reason for them to start now. Yes, there are probably still lots of people who want to bring the IRA back and start fighting for Northern Ireland to join with Ireland, but I don't think it'll happen. Not everyone in Northern Ireland want to have a united Ireland, which is where the problem arose in the first place; generally, Catholics were Nationalists who wanted all of Ireland to become completely independent, and Protestants were Unionists who wanted to stay with the UK. The majority of Unionists lived in the six counties in the north, so the British government thought that the best way to help settle the disagreements was to divide the country. The six counties in the north became Ulster - Northern Ireland - and the thirty six counties in the south became Eire - the Republic of Ireland. But then the Nationalists who lived in Northern Ireland retaliated, so violence broke out. I hope I'm not being confusing. We've been learning about Northern Ireland in History. I've had to write something like three pieces of coursework on it, so I've learned a lot. And a county is like a sub-unit of land... I don't know how you'd describe it. In England, picking a few at random, Cornwall is a county, like Derbyshire is, and Nottingham, and Yorkshire, etc. Though they might mean different things in other countries.
Green Eyes; Blue Sky Amateur Author Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 108	October 1st, 2008 at 07:05pm A county would be the Irish equivalent of a state, only on a lot smaller scale... Well, I'm A grade honor level Junior Cert (if your not Irish, you probably won't get that )student, and I don't even fully understand the Troubles. I blame my boyfriend, James, for that, he came into our school the week we were learning about the Troubles in history and I got very distracted indeed When I was studying for my Junior Cert, back in May, I noticed that all the hunger strike victims had moustaches and glasses doodled on them Still, I'd be able to answer most questions about the Troubles...and I'd be able to reel essays about Wolfe Tone and Michael Collins off the top of my head I'm not quite as passionate about this subject, being a Protestant myself, but I think what went on was unfair and unethical. Ireland belongs to the Irish, no question. England ignores the North, what use is it to them now? Any person from the North I've spoken to, most of them fellow Protestants, have all expressed a dissatisfaction at being part of the UK. Part of England's agreement with Ireland stated that if and when the North wanted to become part of Ireland again, they wouldn't object. I think it's time for a referendum at least...
SuperciliousDeity Writer's Block Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 37	October 18th, 2008 at 09:32pm The Wind That Shook The Barley is a movie all about the Irish civil war and its very good if anyone wants to a visual aide.
Electric Feel. Amateur Author Age: 12 Gender: Female Posts: 216	October 19th, 2008 at 01:30pm SuperciliousDeity: The Wind That Shook The Barley is a movie all about the Irish civil war and its very good if anyone wants to a visual aide. That movie is amazing , I second that recommendation.
Broken Doll Amateur Author Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 186	October 20th, 2008 at 10:08pm Green Eyes; Blue Sky: I'm not quite as passionate about this subject, being a Protestant myself, but I think what went on was unfair and unethical. Ireland belongs to the Irish, no question. England ignores the North, what use is it to them now? Any person from the North I've spoken to, most of them fellow Protestants, have all expressed a dissatisfaction at being part of the UK. Part of England's agreement with Ireland stated that if and when the North wanted to become part of Ireland again, they wouldn't object. I think it's time for a referendum at least... I agree completely, I'm Irish, I live in England now and it annoys me how people in this country assume just becuase countries like America, Ireland and Australia speak English that means they're ours. Ireland always belonged to the Irish as far as I'm concerned, considering England ignored it for years... There should definetely be referendums in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. I don't think so.
Electric Feel. Amateur Author Age: 12 Gender: Female Posts: 216	October 21st, 2008 at 05:24pm Broken Doll: Green Eyes; Blue Sky: I'm not quite as passionate about this subject, being a Protestant myself, but I think what went on was unfair and unethical. Ireland belongs to the Irish, no question. England ignores the North, what use is it to them now? Any person from the North I've spoken to, most of them fellow Protestants, have all expressed a dissatisfaction at being part of the UK. Part of England's agreement with Ireland stated that if and when the North wanted to become part of Ireland again, they wouldn't object. I think it's time for a referendum at least... I agree completely, I'm Irish, I live in England now and it annoys me how people in this country assume just becuase countries like America, Ireland and Australia speak English that means they're ours. Ireland always belonged to the Irish as far as I'm concerned, considering England ignored it for years... There should definetely be referendums in all British colonies, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. I don't think so. It depends whether Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland believe that they will do better on their own or not. I actually doubt that given the unlikely choice , the Republic would not agree to taking back the six counties , nor the six counties agree to be taken. The North has many benefits such as road upkeep and money , only due to being part of the United Kingdom. I agree that every country should be it's own , but sometimes it's too far gone to backtrack.
Broken Doll Amateur Author Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 186	October 21st, 2008 at 05:54pm The Corpse Bride.: Broken Doll: Green Eyes; Blue Sky: I'm not quite as passionate about this subject, being a Protestant myself, but I think what went on was unfair and unethical. Ireland belongs to the Irish, no question. England ignores the North, what use is it to them now? Any person from the North I've spoken to, most of them fellow Protestants, have all expressed a dissatisfaction at being part of the UK. Part of England's agreement with Ireland stated that if and when the North wanted to become part of Ireland again, they wouldn't object. I think it's time for a referendum at least... I agree completely, I'm Irish, I live in England now and it annoys me how people in this country assume just becuase countries like America, Ireland and Australia speak English that means they're ours. Ireland always belonged to the Irish as far as I'm concerned, considering England ignored it for years... There should definetely be referendums in all British colonies, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. I don't think so. It depends whether Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland believe that they will do better on their own or not. I actually doubt that given the unlikely choice , the Republic would not agree to taking back the six counties , nor the six counties agree to be taken. The North has many benefits such as road upkeep and money , only due to being part of the United Kingdom. I agree that every country should be it's own , but sometimes it's too far gone to backtrack. They would have done fine independentantly about 40 years ago or so before we took all there oil and coal. We use Scotland to house nuclear weapons. Northern Ireland doesn't have its own developed parliment like the Republic and the south has the highest standard of living in Europe. I know a few people who live in Northern Ireland that want to be part of the Republic not just Catholics either.
Broken Doll Amateur Author Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 186	October 21st, 2008 at 05:54pm The Corpse Bride.: Broken Doll: Green Eyes; Blue Sky: I'm not quite as passionate about this subject, being a Protestant myself, but I think what went on was unfair and unethical. Ireland belongs to the Irish, no question. England ignores the North, what use is it to them now? Any person from the North I've spoken to, most of them fellow Protestants, have all expressed a dissatisfaction at being part of the UK. Part of England's agreement with Ireland stated that if and when the North wanted to become part of Ireland again, they wouldn't object. I think it's time for a referendum at least... I agree completely, I'm Irish, I live in England now and it annoys me how people in this country assume just becuase countries like America, Ireland and Australia speak English that means they're ours. Ireland always belonged to the Irish as far as I'm concerned, considering England ignored it for years... There should definetely be referendums in all British colonies, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. I don't think so. It depends whether Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland believe that they will do better on their own or not. I actually doubt that given the unlikely choice , the Republic would not agree to taking back the six counties , nor the six counties agree to be taken. The North has many benefits such as road upkeep and money , only due to being part of the United Kingdom. I agree that every country should be it's own , but sometimes it's too far gone to backtrack. They would have done fine independentantly about 40 years ago or so before we took all there oil and coal. We use Scotland to house nuclear weapons. Northern Ireland doesn't have its own developed parliment like the Republic and the south has the highest standard of living in Europe. I know a few people who live in Northern Ireland that want to be part of the Republic not just Catholics either.
Bloodraine Fanfic Fanatic Age: 17 Gender: Female Posts: 1312	October 21st, 2008 at 08:28pm Broken Doll: There should definetely be referendums in all British colonies, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. Alex Salmond hasn't held a referendum yet because he knows he would lose. There is still huge debate about that, and it is by no means a foregone conclusion. Besides, I think calling Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales 'British colonies' is rather degrading. I like to think that we're done with imperialism in this day and age. But this is more of an issue of modern politics, rather than history. I myself am English, but I really have no animosity towards the Irish for anything that has gone on in the past. That's just how I perceive things, though; I don't see what value bitterness has. There were atrocities on both sides, but such is the nature of war, and whilst I think we shouldn't forget that, neither should we dwell on it.
Electric Feel. Amateur Author Age: 12 Gender: Female Posts: 216	October 21st, 2008 at 09:00pm Broken Doll: They would have done fine independentantly about 40 years ago or so before we took all there oil and coal. We use Scotland to house nuclear weapons. Northern Ireland doesn't have its own developed parliment like the Republic and the south has the highest standard of living in Europe. I know a few people who live in Northern Ireland that want to be part of the Republic not just Catholics either. That's what I meant by "too far gone." Forty years ago , it would've been fine. Now? Not so much. Mehh , I don't think that's gonna stay that way since the south is now in recession Ah well. But why do they want to be part of the Republic though? Is there a reason apart from the whole every-country-for-it's-own deal?
Broken Doll Amateur Author Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 186	October 22nd, 2008 at 08:37am The Corpse Bride.: Broken Doll: They would have done fine independentantly about 40 years ago or so before we took all there oil and coal. We use Scotland to house nuclear weapons. Northern Ireland doesn't have its own developed parliment like the Republic and the south has the highest standard of living in Europe. I know a few people who live in Northern Ireland that want to be part of the Republic not just Catholics either. That's what I meant by "too far gone." Forty years ago , it would've been fine. Now? Not so much. Mehh , I don't think that's gonna stay that way since the south is now in recession Ah well. But why do they want to be part of the Republic though? Is there a reason apart from the whole every-country-for-it's-own deal? I'm not sure about all the economic facts and all that but it's unhappiness at the fact the British government pours and pours money in to the South of England and just leaves everywhere else to fend for themselves. We're sorta in recession too, and Northern Ireland will be too when we go in, I don't know when it is, soon though.
Shane MacGowan. Amateur Author Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 149	October 22nd, 2008 at 08:30pm OMG ... one of my favourite subjects lol =D I love talking about the Civil War. Unfortunatley, I tend to get ... heated. Not surprising really, seems I an trace my family to Michael Collins =D
Wednesday Addams Amateur Author Age: 16 Gender: Female Posts: 269	October 25th, 2008 at 04:04pm Lol, we did this in history 2 years ago and I found it really interesting, being from grand ould Northern Ireland myself I don't have any strong feelings about it, to be honest. Me, my mum, my grannie and my great- grannie have all grown up in Northern Ireland being part of the UK, so it would be a bit weird to suddenly be fully Irish. But at the end of the day, I could care less. If there was a united Ireland tomorrow, I'd still get up every morning and eat breakfast, go to school, hang out with my friends etc. It doesn't matter at all to me. The reason Northern Ireland became part of the UK in the first place was because it was more like Great Britain than the rest of Ireland, but Ireland and Great Britain are pretty damn the same these days anyway, except for road signs and the currency. It's funny how many Unionists I know who hate English people.
Broken Doll Amateur Author Age: 14 Gender: Female Posts: 186	October 25th, 2008 at 07:18pm Bloodraine: Broken Doll: There should definetely be referendums in all British colonies, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland becuase, right now, with the economic downturn, do they want to be part of Britain and follow our policies for the better or worse. Alex Salmond hasn't held a referendum yet because he knows he would lose. There is still huge debate about that, and it is by no means a foregone conclusion. Besides, I think calling Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales 'British colonies' is rather degrading. I like to think that we're done with imperialism in this day and age. But this is more of an issue of modern politics, rather than history. I myself am English, but I really have no animosity towards the Irish for anything that has gone on in the past. That's just how I perceive things, though; I don't see what value bitterness has. There were atrocities on both sides, but such is the nature of war, and whilst I think we shouldn't forget that, neither should we dwell on it. I'm very sorry if that offends you, it's just local language I've heard in my town if reference to countries in the commonwealth. And besides, I said the colonies and then Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (not forgetting Guernsey, Isle of Man, Isle of White etc.).

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