Gay Marriage

Elliott Preston:

No. Because a child should have a mother and father.

I didn't say it was your arguement. That's just the most used arguement I've heard.

A child should have a mother and father? There's plenty gay couples that have children and those kids are perfectly fine. Being a parent is about loving a child and caring for them, what does it matter if the parents are both females or males?

Joe Jonas:

A child should have a mother and father? There's plenty gay couples that have children and those kids are perfectly fine. Being a parent is about loving a child and caring for them, what does it matter if the parents are both females or males?

I think it matters from the perspective of having a balanced view on male and female perspectives of life.

Elliott Preston:

I think it matters from the perspective of having a balanced view on male and female perspectives of life.

So, those who were raised by a gay couple, is there anything wrong with them?

Elliott Preston:

I think it matters from the perspective of having a balanced view on male and female perspectives of life.

If you have, let's say, two male parents, does that mean you will never have a female in your life? No aunts? Grandmas? Cousins? Friends?

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I think nearly every child, regardless of if they are raised by a gay couple or not, has some sort of influence from the oppostie sex of their parents. Whether it be aunts, grandmas, cousins, friends, teachers, etc.

Those who say, "All gays go to Hell" or similar things really shouldn't shove their beliefs down everyone's throats. What if that person doesn't believe in Hell? What if that person doesn't care if they have the belief that they'll go to Hell? They are able to make their own choices without some garbage being shoved down their throats. Also, those who a gay should have the right to marry. America is supposed to be "the home of the free," but is it really? Do we really have 100% freedom of religion here? Really, those who are prohibiting homosexuals from marrying are forcing their beliefs on others.

Elliott Preston:

Please use proper punctuation [no need to use excessive exclamation marks, it makes you look like you're yelling.]

Gay people can't procreate with each other.

Sexuality CAN be a choice.

EDIT:

The Catholic Church isn't God. They're human. And the Catholic Church is not the only Church in the world. Also, it's more the individuals who discriminate. Plenty of Christians who don't discriminate.

Marriage is about the union between man and woman. At least in the Biblical sense.

Forgive me and my exclimation points. Yes i know that the Catholic Church is not the only church in the world, and I know it is not God. My point was to look at things biblicaly is discriminatory in a lot of ways. Everything is a sin and you are condemd to hell. And, most gay marriage issues aren't to be done religiously, however some are.

True Sexuality is not a choice. it is the way people are born. yes a person can choose to act on it or not but that doesn't change it.

No, not with each other, but how many straight couples can't procreat together? exactly, so this is a moot point.

Hinder honey:

Forgive me and my exclimation points. Yes i know that the Catholic Church is not the only church in the world, and I know it is not God. My point was to look at things biblicaly is discriminatory in a lot of ways. Everything is a sin and you are condemd to hell. And, most gay marriage issues aren't to be done religiously, however some are.

True Sexuality is not a choice. it is the way people are born. yes a person can choose to act on it or not but that doesn't change it.

No, not with each other, but how many straight couples can't procreat together? exactly, so this is a moot point.

It's not a moot point though. I can't explain sterility. Some sterility can be explained by certain drugs that alter sterility. Steroids alter sterility.

Generally speaking one can only procreate with the opposite gender/sex.

Well The Bible is discriminatory in a lot of sense, but it was written 2000 years ago...so some of it is outdated. I don't know why we still hold to the whole homosexuality is wrong debate, some interpret the passages in the Bible as talking about Homosexual prostitution and male-on-male rape. So, that is Non-Consensual homosexual relations, and homosecual relations outside of a committed loving relationship [Considering in the New Testament it tells us to love one another]. So, I guess that's one way to still be Biblical and not be against homosexuality.

Elliott Preston:

No. Because a child should have a mother and father.

Why?
I'm completely serious. Why?
I've read the psychological studies and whatnot about children with gay parents because I was going to be one (at one point in time).
And I there is nothing that says the child will be gay, or end up having an awful life, or get gender roles mixed up, etc.
So why?

^ Not that gender roles are always the best of things anyway =P

It's a ridiculous argument - no child is totally without male and female role models. Not unless they're being raised by people who are sexist to the point of mental illness, and they're not in school, and they never watch TV.

I was raised by a single mother - should single parents be disallowed too?

It's In The Blood.:

I was raised by a single mother - should single parents be disallowed too?

That's my question too. Most of my adult relatives (that I see on a regular basis) are women too. I think I turned out just fine.

It's In The Blood.:

I was raised by a single mother - should single parents be disallowed too?

This.
My mom is single too.

Something that I believe relates to that:
If a straight couple is unable to have children, should it be illegal for them to get married? Because, of course, if marriage is about reproduction.. [I'm just quoting what someone said. They said that marriage is about increasing the human population.] :|

Elliott Preston:

It's not a moot point though. I can't explain sterility. Some sterility can be explained by certain drugs that alter sterility. Steroids alter sterility.

Generally speaking one can only procreate with the opposite gender/sex.

Well The Bible is discriminatory in a lot of sense, but it was written 2000 years ago...so some of it is outdated. I don't know why we still hold to the whole homosexuality is wrong debate, some interpret the passages in the Bible as talking about Homosexual prostitution and male-on-male rape. So, that is Non-Consensual homosexual relations, and homosecual relations outside of a committed loving relationship [Considering in the New Testament it tells us to love one another]. So, I guess that's one way to still be Biblical and not be against homosexuality.

It is a moot point. Whether or not it can be explained, sterility is an issue with a lot of straight couples. And there are a lot of FERTILE straight couples that don't have children. However, that has nothing to do with my argument. Some people are simply born steril. My best friend will never have a child because of a chromasone disorder that she has, does that mean she shouldn't be able to be married?

As far as non concentual any relationships go, then it would in fact be a problme. But if you have two grown men that love each other and they both are in agreeance then what is the problem? The basic point of gay marriage is, it won't hurt you at all. No one says you have to marry someone of the same sex, so why should they be denied the right.

Here is something to think about, If things were the other way around alright, hypothetically speaking, if men were meant to be with men and women with women, if that was the social norm of things, and a you as a heterosexual were told you couldn't marry a heterosexual partner, wouldn't you be upset? I know if i as a woman was told i wasn't allowed to marry a man i would be crushed.

Hinder honey:

It is a moot point. Whether or not it can be explained, sterility is an issue with a lot of straight couples. And there are a lot of FERTILE straight couples that don't have children. However, that has nothing to do with my argument. Some people are simply born steril. My best friend will never have a child because of a chromasone disorder that she has, does that mean she shouldn't be able to be married?

As far as non concentual any relationships go, then it would in fact be a problme. But if you have two grown men that love each other and they both are in agreeance then what is the problem? The basic point of gay marriage is, it won't hurt you at all. No one says you have to marry someone of the same sex, so why should they be denied the right.

Here is something to think about, If things were the other way around alright, hypothetically speaking, if men were meant to be with men and women with women, if that was the social norm of things, and a you as a heterosexual were told you couldn't marry a heterosexual partner, wouldn't you be upset? I know if i as a woman was told i wasn't allowed to marry a man i would be crushed.

That final argument I have heard so many times it really irks me whenever people use it. Because, we don't LIVE in that hypothetical world, and it helps nobody. I understand the perspective but I've had it shoved down my throat by people less polite than you. [I was always telling them 'FINE, I get your point don't harp on...and I'd end up walking away because I knew it would end up with them getting aggro at me just because I have a certain belief, even though I was willing to concede their point. And aggro doesn't help.]

To the first points, that is why there are people who interpret the Bible differently, and maybe I'll have to learn to interpret it as such? That is that the Bible is ony referring to nonconsensual and prostitution within homosexual circles.

^ I get annoyed when people tell me that gay couples can't procreate and so shouldn't marry. I don't tell them not to harp on, but I'd like to.

It's In The Blood.:

^ I get annoyed when people tell me that gay couples can't procreate and so shouldn't marry. I don't tell them not to harp on, but I'd like to.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Hinder honey:

No, not with each other, but how many straight couples can't procreat together? exactly, so this is a moot point.

I think what she was trying to say is that they have the potential to procreate with each other, even if they choose not to. Some people obviously can't, but it's because of something other than the relationship they're in; gay couples can't procreate with each other, period. (Unless scientists come up with something miraculous.)

Not that I agree with it as an argument, just saying.

loverfayce.:

I think what she was trying to say is that they have the potential to procreate with each other, even if they choose not to. Some people obviously can't, but it's because of something other than the relationship they're in; gay couples can't procreate with each other, period. (Unless scientists come up with something miraculous.)

Not that I agree with it as an argument, just saying.

Not all straight couples can though. There are some men and women who are unable to have children. So, should they not be allowed to get married as well?

It's In The Blood.:

^ I get annoyed when people tell me that gay couples can't procreate and so shouldn't marry. I don't tell them not to harp on, but I'd like to.

Yeh, but that's because it's not a hypothetical point.