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Something about this doesn't sit right with me. It makes me feel sick even thinking about it. No offense to any authors or anything, it's just personally, I wouldn't read the story.

"I really think that until you read it, you should judge it."
I just realized that I meant 'shouldn't' instead of 'should', and it's too late to edit. Sorry.

I really think that until you read it, you should judge it. She never said anything like, "Hey this is going be a sexed up Holocaust story, unfunf!" She's clearly stated on her summary page that it may offend people, yes, and if it does, to not read it. I'm a reader, and I think it's a wonderful story. I think that it's intelligent, and also showing people the raw actuality. Her characters have personalities, she's done her research, she has a plotline. You guys should actually read it, then state your opinions.

Ah, I've been looking for this journal. Couldn't find it.

Firstly, I'm typing this very quickly. I don't have time on my hands at the moment, but I'll return to this later.

Let me say that I understand where all of your opinions are coming from and I don't doubt that they have substance. I know the cruelties of racism and bigotry, and that's just in modern-day schools. I know that things were obscene, horrid, and disturbing back during the time of the holocaust. I know that the Nazis were heartless and cold. I have never once stated that the camps themselves were 'romantic'. I have never said that the holocaust was not cruel. I don't like the fact that it seems like some of you are belittling me just for writing something I want to write. Please, don't give me the whole 'so-what-if-there's-creative-freedom-it-ain't-necessary' spiel. Please. All I'm saying at the moment is that this is not the first holocaust story, fiction or not, in existance. It's not the first Tokio Hotel incest story, and that's a damn fact. It isn't even the first TH incest holocaust fic, in fact -- and I know the author that can vouch for this.

But let me ask you this. It's fiction. I believe my normal oneshot beta told me of a book where a guard fell in love with a female prisoner. Is it so unlikely? There have been other cases of Stockholm Syndrome in history as well, same for Lima Syndrome. Even small amounts of affection in holocaust tales exist -- Schindler's List, The Pianist. They needn't be romantic, but it's affection. Affection towards the people they hate.

I probably sound rambly now, but I'm sitting in a dark basement with a headache and a bellyache, so I'll ask you to pardon that. Point is, I'm very sorry if I've insulted and/or offended anyone in writing this. But would it make a difference to you if it wasn't written as fanfiction? If the names were rearranged and all so they were completely new people? I don't think it would. You would all still hold the same opinion. It being bandom isn't the issue here.

The romanticism isn't an issue. I really don't understand everyone's upset over this. Who's to say that it couldn't happen? You yourself, Jenni, said that you don't doubt it could have happened. So why not make it happen? Yes, it's very controversial, I'm aware. But so what? Other stories on the site are controversial and taboo as well. I've never said that I'm going to make the story soft and sweet. I say in my disclaimer that it's not going to be pleasant. I'm not going to sugar-coat anything in the story. It's all going to be as violent and horrendous as needed. I'm killing the characters. I'm hurting them. I'm not acting as though the holocaust wasn't as brutal as it truly was.

Don't blame the schools. Really. They may not have taught us as much as they should have, but I'm certainly not getting my information from the schools. I've been doing research for a month already, in varying forms of reading material and videos (documentary and otherwise) and photographs and just about everything else. My entire family is and has raised me Jewish, there is no aspect of that that would be off, I don't think.

Yes, it's going to be 'cheapened'. Of course it would. The only person who would ever be able to write it properly would be someone involved in such a scenario. But I'm trying. Because it's what I want to do. I felt the urge to write this. I know you don't like it, most of you don't, but I still want to. My characters are not one-dimensional, just a Nazi who hates all his prisoners and a Jew who has had his life destroyed. They have depth, they have lives that started before my story began.

This story is what I'm devoting all my time to, right now. If you have an issue with it, then I apologize again. But I'm not going to stop writing it. Maybe I'll change the names if it bothers so many, but that won't change anything at all and you all know this.

For the record, this story will have absolutely no sexual content. At all. I never saw it that way, and never will. I'm not a fan of the "So, if you want to write about Mikey and Gerard, Tom and Bill, Benji and Joel, sexing it up in the back of their tour bus, then, well go ahead. But, can we please keep it out of a concentration camp?" bit. They're not sexing it up anywhere at all in the story. Ever. The story isn't written to be full of sexual favors in the story. I'll ask you all to not mistake a bittersweet romance for a passionate, sexual encounter.

I know my thoughts in here aren't organized very well. I'm not feeling well atm. But you can all understand this post clearly enough, I presume. If anyone else has any issues, please, take them up with me.

I'll apologize again, because I really am sorry if it sours you all on my writing that much, but I will not change it.

Thank you.

I saw that story, I didn't read it because it was Tokio Hotel and because it was about the Holocaust. We studied it this year and my teacher didn't sugar coat it. We watched movies and everything and it's just horrible.

I died a little on the inside. A Holocaust fanfiction, that's just...no. I can't even express in words how wrong that is.

On a lighter note: Left 4 Dead is an awesome game.

There was a fan fiction written with that....?

Really?

O_O

I'm not sure if I like that idea. You do have a point. How could someone write a romance story that is involved with cruelty to humanity when hardly anyone survived? I'm appalled.

...Someone wrote a Holocaust romance story? As bandfic?

I...seriously?

The only thing I don't agree with here, is the blaming of schools.
I know I don't live in America, and maybe you rarely hear about it there, but in Norway, it's EVERWHERE. We've seen six movies about it this year - no exaggerating, and we've learnt about it since sixth grade. It's starting to bore me.

I haven't read that story, and by the looks of what you've said about it, I'm not going to either.

I read the story. I loved the writing of it. I disagreed very much with the pairing, but, I think she's written it well.

I never knew about this until reading this.

Anyway, I think getting rid of it was the right choice.

I mean, it could have been done. Probably better without being fanfiction and instead using original characters. It would have to be well researched and delicately handled. I would say you would even want other people reading it before it got posted just to be doubly sure.

Still, I think deleting it was the right choice.

I think it COULD be excecuted, well, by a talented author. But it is something so delicate, it is hard to imagine a story like that existing and getting any mainstream action. Though, if anyone has found a published book that dealt with this, then please prove me wrong.

I have a feeling I may have read the first chapter of that story too. Unless there's more then one Holocaust Tokio Hotel story on here. :\

You just made me realise, you're right, they are yet to mention the Holocaust to me at school. We never learnt about it in any of my history classes. Perhaps because its such a sensitive subject? But mind you, I stopped taking any history classes last year so..I don't know what they teach later on.

I haven't seen this story but just the idea seriously disgusted me. This type of story would be very controversial if it was printed as a book by a well known author now, but by a teenager on a writing site is just.. horrible. It can't be realistic and you're right, it's not needed. Then again, people should have the right to write what they want. If it was extremely well written, I might let up, but I doubt that from what everybody's saying..

... Where can I read this? I'd like to give this story a read for myself.

Although I do have to agree. Romanticizing the Holocaust is just too extreme and offensive.
Eck.

And one more thing, cuz I'm a history dork. 6 million is the number of Jews that were obliterated. Add homosexuals, gypsies, blacks, Jehovah's Witnesses, and all other "unsavory" members of the population, you get between 11 and 13 million people who died, although most historians agree it was around 11.

What's next? Hitler/Mussolini slash?

I have to say, I laughed really hard at that. It's so horrible, but wow...

V I could have done without that image, but I totally agree >_< And I don't doubt that somewhere on the internet, there exist such a story.

Eesh. Just eesh. I'm cringing a little even thinking about a Holocaust fanfiction. What's next? Hitler/Mussolini slash? There are some things that just cannot be fanfictionized, and the Holocaust is number one, capitilized, underlined.

You shouldn't. I get so mean. One time, I literally attacked my friend because he killed me one too many times during a Super Smashed Brother's Session. I nearly beat him with the controller. He was scared. Very scared.

On a lawl note: I walked into a room (in the game) and saw a giant zombie, screamed irl, and paused the game because I was so scared ._.