Is God Real?

^As I stated, does anybody else believe this? It's just a question.

ciao bella.:

^As I stated, does anybody else believe this? It's just a question.

I believe he is taking the Mickey.

My other 1,000,000 sacred god friends believe it.

^Please provide some proof of this. Maybe you can start your own cult religion.

......Fascinating.

I thought people here suppose to be more mature and "not stupid" ? Was I wrong or something?

Nik0:

......Fascinating.

I thought people here suppose to be more mature and "not stupid" ? Was I wrong or something?

Go back a few pages, the debating on this thread is usually much more sophisticated.

ciao bella.:

^Please provide some proof of this. Maybe you can start your own cult religion.

I'll provide proof for my religion, when you provide proof for yours.

My religion insists, ladies first.

Nik0:

......Fascinating.

I thought people here suppose to be more mature and "not stupid" ? Was I wrong or something?

No one is stupid, there's just a lot of people in the world that are misinformed.

Airon:

I'll provide proof for my religion, when you provide proof for yours.

My religion insists, ladies first.

The thing is your a real person claiming to be God. We're less inclined to take you seriously and more likely to demand proof from you, than to demand proof for a God we can't see.

Also. People believed in the 'Christian' God before He became the Christian God and before Jesus 'claimed' that He was God.

---I have read the last 20 or so pages so I know where you are all coming from---

Personally, I am what you would call an evangelical/Pentecostal Christian. This means, in a nutshell, that I believe that God is made up of the father, son and holy spirit. This is to explain that I am neither a catholic or a protestant. I don’t follow a religion, I have a relationship with who I believe to be the God of everyone and everything.

Let me go back the original point for a few moments. Is God real??? Is their proof? Of course not! One of the first lessons the Bible teaches is how to have FAITH. You ask…what is faith? Faith is when you believe something exists without having ever seen it or touched it etc. It is natural for humans to question things they can’t see. There is an account in the gospels of the New Testament which shows Jesus after he has risen from the dead appearing to his disciples. However, Thomas (later to be known as ‘Doubting Thomas’) was absent from the group at the time. On his return, he was told that they had all seen the Lord, but he didn’t believe them. He told them that until he had seen the holes in Jesus hands and put his fingers in the hole in his side, he would not believe. Later on, Jesus appeared to the whole group and invited Thomas to look at his hands and touch the hole in his side, but he refused and repented for not believing and…not having faith. For example, you have faith that the world will still be turning tomorrow. Do you have any proof? No. It just happens.

But still you ask…how can you just have faith? Surely you need something on which to base faith? Well, yes I do. I have recently seen a seminar called ‘Indescribable’ by Louis Giglio which explained it perfectly. In 1977 we launched a space craft called ‘Voyager’, on a one way mission to take pictures of the planets in our solar system and 13 years later, Valentine’s Day of 1990, scientists from the JPL sent a message to Voyager and said ‘Before you go any further, turn around and take one last panoramic shot of all the planets you’ve visited.’ By now Voyager is 3.5 billion miles away from the earth, it’s traveling at 40,000 miles per hour away from the sun, and it turns around and takes a series of photographs, cos you can’t get one image of everything in one shot. And it starts to send the photographs back to earth, each image had 6400 pixels and there were 60 photographs. And 3.7 billion miles away, the pixels are taking five and a half hours EACH to make it back to the earth. It takes months for the full image to come back and for it to be composited, but when it did, it made the famous photo more commonly known as ‘The Pale Blue Dot’. The image has lines of pink and green on it, which are actually rays of sunlight…and it just so happened that at that precise moment, suspended in one of the sunbeams, was a pale blue dot, and that was earth. A famous astronomer of the time remarked when he saw it, that everyone who has ever lived their lives, lived it on that pale blue dot that he called ‘a speck of dust, suspended in a sunbeam’. Looking at this photo, too me it shows that if God created the heavens and the earth, the whole universe, the planets and the stars, and he stopped to create me and if he did that, then the least I can do is believe that he exists. I believe with all my heart that God exists and that he made me and everything and everyone that has ever existed.

As to answer the difficult question of science v Religion…I have my own personal theory. My personal theory is that both are correct. Science has neither proved nor disproved that God exists. Also, those who say that scientists should, for want of a better expression, excuse the irony, ‘go to hell’, these people are plain stupid. God created these people with such minds that they are able to understand infinite science. Surely God wouldn’t create people that clever just so they could prove that he didn’t exist??? My personal theory is that God used a large bang to create the earth. My personal theory is that the world was still created in 7 days. But, how then, you ask, did dinosaurs live and die, the bible doesn’t mention them? The bible does say however that a day on earth can be like a million years in heaven, and a day in heaven can be like a million years on earth. So, my personal theory is that, in heaven, it has been 7 days since the earth was created, but down here there have been millions of years in each ‘day’, allowing for dinosaurs and the like to exist and then by killed etc. Perhaps this is where Darwin’s theory fits in, I don’t know. Maybe God made rough drafts, who know? God knows and only he knows.

Trust me, even as a committed Christian who has faith, when I get to heaven, I probably have more questions about Christianity etc. than you can think of in your whole life. I haven’t even started to live my life properly and I already have thousands of questions.

I hope this answers a few things and I would be delighted to take questions about my faith.

Btw: The Pies Endure… sounds as if me and you could be great friends 

Peace and God bless x

Going with the tide:

Looking at this photo, too me it shows that if God created the heavens and the earth, the whole universe, the planets and the stars, and he stopped to create me and if he did that, then the least I can do is believe that he exists.

This seems to me like a bit of a circular argument. If you're already relying on the premise that god created the whole universe, then I don't understand what you mean by "the least I can do is believe that he exists". Because surely that's already assumed by what you said first.

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My personal theory is that God used a large bang to create the earth.

The "Big Bang" wasn't actually a bang, nor was it an explosion of any kind; its name is a misnomer. "The Big Bang" was a nickname given to the theory when it first came to be known, in order to belittle it.

Alex; subterfuge.:

The "Big Bang" wasn't actually a bang, nor was it an explosion of any kind; its name is a misnomer. "The Big Bang" was a nickname given to the theory when it first came to be known, in order to belittle it.

Actually, an explosion is a pretty accurate description of how the extremely hot and compressed early universe expanded violently/at a very rapid rate. Although, of course, there weren't any loud noises involved.

^ I genuinely don't know why I said "of any kind", when an explosion actually means something's contents expanding outwards. I suppose in an everyday sense, explosions on the whole are considered to be pyrotechnical things.

as much as i would love to tell you that God exists. I don't know. there is no way to actually know.

i mean you could delve into a religion, but i find that religion is faulty because of people not because its not real or not true.

"everything you touch turns to gold" that is we do as humans. we taint everything, including the faith and essence of God. so who knows

Alex; subterfuge.:

^ I genuinely don't know why I said "of any kind", when an explosion actually means something's contents expanding outwards. I suppose in an everyday sense, explosions on the whole are considered to be pyrotechnical things.

Also, explosions don't come out of nothing,

The Pies Endure:

Also, explosions don't come out of nothing,

The Big Bang theory doesn't say they do. It says that the singularity exploded/expanded.

Alex; subterfuge.:

The Big Bang theory doesn't say they do. It says that the singularity exploded/expanded.

The Big Theory postulates that the universe started from nothing [This is the majority view, as it is, where did the singularity come from, and explosions have causes]. Explosions don't come from nothing.

The Pies Endure:

The Big Theory postulates that the universe started from nothing [This is the majority view, as it is, where did the singularity come from, and explosions have causes]. Explosions don't come from nothing.

You're mistaking the big bang theory for a creation story. The big bang theory doesn't seek to explain where the universe came from in the most initial sense of creation, but why it is the way it is today, and it quite thoroughly explains the rapid expansion, red shifts of galaxies, quantities of elements, etc. The explosion didn't come from "nothing," it was caused by the incredibly hot and dense nature of the singularity.

Some people believe the big bang was the beginning of time, but others do not, and neither idea is supported more or less by the theory. It terms of the theory, it's accurate to say the universe began as we know it with the big bang, but that isn't a statement about the creation of the singularity or time before that. This is why I get so irritated when religious people take up arms against science, because neither the big bang nor evolution necessarily eliminate the existence of God. Obviously, things didn't happen as Genesis explained, but I doubt most people interpret that to have literal meaning anyways.

Kurtni:

This is why I get so irritated when religious people take up arms against science, because neither the big bang nor evolution necessarily eliminate the existence of God. Obviously, things didn't happen as Genesis explained, but I doubt most people interpret that to have literal meaning anyways.

There are numerous scientific theories other than the Big Bang theory which are creation theories and try to explain why the universe exists at all and where it came from e.g. string and superstring theories or the Big Bounce theory. Most of them are highly theoretical and untested (if at all testable). There's just too much we don't know about the universe to be able to formulate an accurate theory about its origin.

Kurtni:

You're mistaking the big bang theory for a creation story. The big bang theory doesn't seek to explain where the universe came from in the most initial sense of creation, but why it is the way it is today, and it quite thoroughly explains the rapid expansion, red shifts of galaxies, quantities of elements, etc. The explosion didn't come from "nothing," it was caused by the incredibly hot and dense nature of the singularity.

Some people believe the big bang was the beginning of time, but others do not, and neither idea is supported more or less by the theory. It terms of the theory, it's accurate to say the universe began as we know it with the big bang, but that isn't a statement about the creation of the singularity or time before that. This is why I get so irritated when religious people take up arms against science, because neither the big bang nor evolution necessarily eliminate the existence of God. Obviously, things didn't happen as Genesis explained, but I doubt most people interpret that to have literal meaning anyways.

I'm not mistaking the Big Bang Theory for anything. I actually learned about the BBT before I really understood what the Creation story was about, so please don't assume what I'm thinking when I'm referring to the BBT.