@ I'mBadWithUsernames I just figured this out right now and I probably didn't get enough sleep and that's why it's funny but in that song from Mary Poppins, if you replace "Chim Chim Cher-ee" with Shitdickery it's a million times more amusing.
@ Helena Hathaway I really don't think that they are, believe me I find them hilarious, but inevitably some people wouldn't like them, not because of Gerards gender identity, but purely due to personality. But no I agree that writing something vulgar on someone's door is completely inexcusable, but the persecutor may think that the actions they were carrying out were the correct thing, even though I'd disagree. But no, I don't think of them negatively, but it was more of a what if than anything else...
@ ShadowMooses Yeah, but obviously Frank and Gerard aren't prats, because, contextually, I've never written them to be bad people, but there's always an internal justification for what people do. It may not be a right when you think about it objectively, but people always rationalize their actions, but in the end I think it's pretty safe to say that writing slurs on people doors is typically a horrible thing to do. So I really don't hope that you're made to think of them negatively, as the last thing I'd want was to have unrelateble protagonists, especially when handling a subject like this one.
Well that made me think about life and how we're all just bitches because in every scenario we're always able to depict what, in our perspective, is the right and bad. Like even in this story Gerard and Frank could actually be total prats but we aren't made to focus on that, because we assume that they're not, and that whoever may be the supposed bad guy may actually have had a semi plausible for writing on the door... sorry I think deeply occasionally
this has been really incredibly helpful to read, as I've been going through my own kind of gender crisis throughout my life and am only lately trying to do something about it. thank you:)
Mikey's reaction to Frank's news was realistic and kind of what I expected. I don't blame him for being reserved in his blessing. He's obviously gone through so much with Gee that it's hard for him to not be hesitant about Gee entering a relationship with anyone, let alone Frank, who, though a nice person, doesn't seem to have any of his shit sorted out. I hope Mikey will realise that that is exactly what Gee needs.
This was also a nice insight in Frank's understanding of what exactly he's getting himself into. He seems to have an idea, though I'm sure things will come their way that will test Frank's understanding nature.
I can't wait to see more of Frank and Gee together, and see more of their relationship. I just hope that there'll be more good times than bad! Loved this chapter, can't wait for the next!
Eeeepppp! You finally made them kiss. Thank you! Yayness all around.
I love how it wasn't just out of nowhere. You've built up their relationship so well, it's such a natural progression. I'm happy that it wasn't just Frank making the first move either - Frank's influence is already rubbing off on Gee/Gerard a little. They took a chance, and it paid off. I know it won't be easy, and maybe Gee/Gerard will freak out later, but for now, Gerard/Gee seems to be making a little progress and is beginning to open themselves up to a bit of happiness.
I wonder how Mikey will react. Mikey may not be too cool about the reality of Frank and Gee/Gerard together. I could't really blame him, either. Things will be hard for them too, and I am anxious as to how other people will react if they do indeed enter a relationship.
YAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!! THEY KISSED!!!!! IM LITERALLY JUMPING RIGHT NOW!!!!!! ok, I'll try to calm down now. Just know that I literally squealed when they kissed, that I really liked Frank's speech on Peter Pan and 'I don't know why I'm here', and that I reslly hope the next chapters have some fluff before shit inevitably blows up again... Keep it up!
@ Helena Hathaway It's fine. I forgive you. We're okay. Just assume from now on that I always understand, and come in peace, unless I ask for clarification. ;p
@ pixiewayro It's totally fine, I didn't mean to sound offensive or anything at all like that. It just seemed like maybe you were missing the point, and I wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. Maybe I shouldn't have written a novel length answer, but yeah, so sorry if I scared you or unnerved you with that, it was just me trying to clarify things and then totally going overboard.
@ Helena Hathaway I understood perfectly well what you wanted to say with the chapter... I was just voicing some of my views. I'll be honest, I was completely taken aback by your reaction, but I'll let it go. I accept your apology. Perhaps I wasn't completely clear on what I meant in my original comment. I apologise, and ask for patience. I'm not unintelligent, just... not English. Sometimes, what I express comes out wrong. However, no hate was intended.
@ pixiewayro I wasn't offended I just wanted to make sure that that point was clear. I didn't mean to condescend you, and I'm sorry if it was received in that way.
@ Helena Hathaway Okay, woah! We are on the same side here, and I was just voicing my opinions, but now I feel like I'm being lectured like a toddler. I'm sorry if things I said were taken the wrong way. It was not my intention . Also, of course I understand a a lot of those feelings in Gee, and, being depressed myself, I know there isn't an 'off' button...
Sorry for upsetting you, and I think it would be best I keep my thoughts to myself again.
@ pixiewayro Well, see you've got to realize that it's an irrational fear, and those often have no merit, or are in fact utter bullshit. The added factor of having been rejected in the past would make you totally terrified of it ever happening again. Also on the fact that it happened in the past, this would certainly have thrown Gee into a depression because they were only JUST figuring out who they were and then people went and rejected that. It's irrational, as stated, but it's still there, and you can't just make a fear go away because you ask nicely. It'll always be there, whether it's in smaller dosages or not.
The fact that people (specifically the “True Christians”) still reject Gee would have resurrected that fear, but most especially the depression that followed it. You can cure depression even less than you can cure a fear, or in other words, you can't. So seeing that same old rejection that had hurt Gee so much in the past, will only have reminded them of what it felt like being so alone the first time.
There's obviously a lot of reason to dislike the way someone bitches about themselves, and especially when they make said bitching in the form of their entire community, but given the circumstances, having faced so much rejection in their life, Gee's feelings are not uncalled for. It's based on the set of data they have been given.
A person afraid of planes because they were on one once that nearly didn’t make it to the ground, has a perfectly reasonable cause for being afraid of them. It makes perfect sense that they'd want to avoid ever getting on one again. That doesn't mean a similar event will happen again, but for fear of something along the lines of PTSD, or for some other reason, it's completely understandable not to want to try getting on a plane again. The same should be said of Gee. It's not that it will actually HAPPEN again, it's that they'll relive what happened the first time.
I absolutely agree that the way that Gee handled it was completely wrong, but logically, things like this happen, especially, and unfortunately so in the LGBT community. That doesn't make it right, or denote the harmful effects, it's just a fact of life. Things like this never really go away, as well. They say that once a drug addict, always a drug addict, and the same can be said in the respect of self-harm, I can vouch for that one myself.
In any case, everyone has the right to their opinion, but having the right to an opinion doesn't exclude it from being homophobic or cissexist or whatever. Yes, it's your opinion, you have a right to it, but having that right to a homophobic opinion changes nothing about the homophobia of it. It's still hateful. So there's a certain double standard that, yes, you have the right to think it, but you have absolutely no right to shove it down someone else's throat. Advertising that opinion, while not illegal in and of itself, there's every reason to disallow that, because, to put it simply, that opinion is harmful to others.
You may not agree with the opinion, and they do have a right to think that opinion, but any and everyone has the right to be offended by that opinion. Feeling unsafe, whether it be caused by an opinion or not, whether it's internal or external, is merit for action to take place.
So you see, a religious group can think whatever they like. A Battlestar Galactica fanclub can think whatever they like. A baseball team can think whatever they like. Gee can think whatever they like, but if it harms or dehumanizes another party, you have every right to formally complain about it.
I hope that I didn’t sound overly defensive, but I stand by the reactions that took place, and the words spoken. You don’t have to agree with every opinion, but you have to at least bear in mind that every character is flawed. What kind of story would this be if Gee was a Mary-Sue, who was absolutely at ease with themself? No one is totally happy about who they are. The actions, words, dynamics of every character in a story has to be justified by their history or temperament, and I stand by my characters in how they’ve reacted.