Stop Being So hatefull. - Comments

Oh, and "appeal to majority" is a logical fallacy.

Also, at one point slavery was supported by the majority of people.

The Guitar Man:

The point of finksgirl is that regardless of what the majority religion/opinion is, people should always, and I repeat always, have the freedom of religion. That's right. The freedom of religion is something that's allegedly guaranteed to people in the United States.

I agree with Geesecks, people have too much pride and can't let things go. If you hate someone for hating something, then you're just as bad for hating someone that hates. End of story.

People that argue with what you said here obviously know you're right. They're just too hard headed to let it go. They want to be right all of the time. Sheesh, if you have the right to be atheist and bring your views into the outside world, then I as I Christian do too! Quit being a hypocrite.

guys i think its more about how developed your conscience is rather than religion.

Right, which is, if I'm understanding you correctly, what I'm meaning.

guys i think its more about how developed your conscience is rather than religion.

Okay. I understand now.

Humans made religion up, so they knew what was right and wrong.

EXACTLY.

And since humans made religion up and chose what was right or wrong, a religion/knowledge of religion isn't needed to be a good person- which is why someone raised in an atheistic household can still be moral.

Yeah, I probably could have worded that a lot better. I was just trying to make a point that since some drunken fools came up with what was right and wrong, everyone has set morals in it. I'm not saying to not have your own morals, because I'm a firm believer in that, it's just that most morals come back to one religion or another.

Humans made religion up, so they knew what was right and wrong.

EXACTLY.

Thanks for applying something I meant for humans to animals.

Yeah, there was a point to that. The point was is that if religion is needed to make humans moral, then why do animals make moral choices? They don't HAVE religion, they just don't do certain things. You don't need religion to define your morality. That's why there are religious people who think it's okay to kill, that's why there are people who believe in a religion who cheat and steal and do all other sorts of things. You don't need religion to be moral. Humans made religion up, so they knew what was right and wrong.

And I wasn't saying Atheists chose to pick and choose, it's just the way it is.

You need to explain this because I never said anything like that... and I don't even understand what the hell it means.

well yes, things like you just said such as wanting to kill someone who killed someone you loved, i'm sure that not wanting to do such a thing is based in religion

but knowing that killing is wrong is more of a basis in conscience. not so much religion. religion helps people develop a good conscience so they sort of go hand in hand, but atheists have consciences too, so thats how non religious people can tell right from wrong.

but it is quite apparent that many people have a pathetic excuse for a conscious

Wow, great. Thanks for applying something I meant for humans to animals. We can make choices, they can't. They don't even have the intelligence to comprehend it. They obviously don't know right from wrong. And I wasn't saying Atheists chose to pick and choose, it's just the way it is. Where did everything come from then? How do people know if they didn't have people to tell them? I myself don't like religion, I want to believe in it, but I don't. Agnostic's are different from Atheists, so don't tell me I'm any less of one than someone else just because I view it differently.

I don't know about you, but if I wasn't raised Catholic, I'd probably say it's alright to kill someone if they killed someone I loved. But I don't because my morals are still Catholic even though I don't believe in it fully anymore.

Wow.

Really, that was awesome. I tried to explain to my friend what my thoughts on the whole gay marriage issue are and that it's a conservative Catholic thing...You nailed it. :]

Oh, please. Everything is based off of religion. How would could anyone tell the difference between right and wrong? I'm sure you don't think killing people is right, and that's rooted in probably every single religion. It's something that you must take the good with the bad. Because humans didn't just wake up one day and say, "killing is wrong." Well, why? "I don't know."

Are you crazy? There are animals who punish other animals for killing and shit. Do they have religion? No. Religion hasn't always existed, and obviously- murder was probably wrong for pre-religion people or else we probably wouldn't be here. Morality is based through human condition, not religion.

I know people who's parents are atheists and raised their kids as atheists too. You going to tell me that they got their sense of right and wrong through religion? What a joke. You're a pretty pathetic excuse for an agnostic, kid.

I don't hate Catholics, after all everyone has a right to believe in what they believe.
I actually admire Catholics/ any other religion and how they believe so strongly.
I know many people from all different religions.
I think it is extremists that gave religion's a 'bad name'.

Oh, please. Everything is based off of religion. How would could anyone tell the difference between right and wrong? I'm sure you don't think killing people is right, and that's rooted in probably every single religion. It's something that you must take the good with the bad. Because humans didn't just wake up one day and say, "killing is wrong." Well, why? "I don't know."

No matter what you believe, I don't get how someone could think of the Pope as not a nice guy.

Wasn't he a Nazi Youth?

I like the Pope though. In a general sort of way. (I was raised Catholic, I'm programmed to like to guy, okay?)

to clarify, the thing on the pope i read seemed to be more of an attack on the position of the pope, rather than the man himself.

The fact is, the basic human rights you believe in originated somewhere; all basic morale is based off a religion, to some extent.
You probably just refuse to accept it, I'm sure.

I might not be allowed to say anything, because there are about 55 000 catholics in my country, but I'm gonna butt in anyway x]

First of all, who would bash the Pope? That's just annoyingly irritating, and I don't even believe in God. But on the other hand, I do believe that if it's "okay" to bash Bush, then it should be okay to bash anyone. You might say that it's different because Bush is a bad person. But I bet he's nice to his kids. He is a bad leader, though. Couldn't it be possible that someone found a flaw in the Pope, too? He's only human, after all, even if he is the descendant of Saint Peter.

I can see how you are offended. There are always two sides of a story. It's like a black person can say "I don't like that white guy" and not be racist, but a white person can't say "I don't like that black guy" without being racist. But you have to remember that not all who are for gay marriage hate the ones who aren't. I'm for gay marriage, and I really don't see how people should be treated differently just because they're gay. To me, that's almost violating human rights. Doesn't it say that all should be treated equal?

This is why I really don't like it when people say that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry because "it's not natural" and "marriage is for man and woman, not man and man". But am I bashing the people who feel that way? No. I respect them and keep my mouth shut, but that doesn't mean I have to like them and their opinions. As long as they don't start a discussion with me, I'll keep my opinions to myself. Except for today. Because, like I said before, I'm butting in :]