Daniel Tosh, Rape Jokes, and Sexual Harassment - Comments

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Sorry for all the cursing. Daniel Tosh upsets me so much. He encourages the absolute worst behavior and is brainwashing his audience, essentially young adult males, to think it's okay to act as if violent and poor treatment of women and minorities is okay. He needs to be taken off the air. He isn't a comedian. He's an idiot with a show who is a major help in the degradation of modern civility and social structure.

God, I hate that guy. Like, if I saw him on the street. I wouldn't punch him because I feel so bad for him. How can someone be so horrible as to promote the worst of things as a joke? A lot of people quote Louis C.K's joke that goes on like, "I think rape is never okay, unless you want to have sex with them and they don't want to have sex with you." No ones puts that in context though. That isn't a joke about rape. That's attention to the absurdity of rapist logic. That's good comedy. There's legitimacy thinking involved and it has a purpose. Daniel Tosh just likes to hurt people and he pretends that those of us who react appropriately and get upset are just oversensitive and humorless, when, in reality, he's not even worthy of being the shit on my shoe.

I don't give a single flying fuck if Daniel 'actually intended' for that woman to be hurt. What's more mind boggling than people defending that sort of behavior from him is that rape can even be a joke to begin with. What can be a joke in it? The part where someone is physically harmed? The part where someone is mentally scarred forever? The part where someone loses his/her feeling of safety, security and the right to his/her body? There's no joke in rape.

And I fucking hate these pricks who think that rape jokes are covered by the First Amendment. Apparently everyone on the internet is a constitutional scholar when it comes to dumb ass attempts to make jokes about rape. The First Amendment grants a citizen the right to speak his mind, but it does not grant the citizen any sort of right to jeopardize the safety/security of another person.

And what the fuck was up with his hash tag at the end of his twitter apology? Fucking 'deadbabies.' LOLOL OMG HOLD ON WHILE I SHIT MY PANTS FORM LAUGHTER. OMG THE DEATH OF SUCH A SMALL CHILD IS HILARIOUS. I BET THEIR PARENTS' TEARS WILL MAKE ME LOL MORE OMGOMG.

The shit people think is okay.



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Anyway, I completely agree with your blog/journal/whatever this is post here on Mibba.

I love Daniel Tosh. I think this "rape joke" incident was a big mistake on his part. I think he knows that and I think that's why he apologized. He rarely does, so I think he actually meant it. It seems like a case of open mouth/insert foot to me.

Everyone I've spoken to seems to have the opposite viewpoint of what others are apparently saying. Everyone i've talked to said the 'joke' was way out of line, he should have apologized, but no one think that he intended anything bad to happen (like that chick actually getting raped) or whatever.

i don't know. i feel like i don't know enough about the backlash to make an educated opinion. all i know about is the joke and the apology.

i will continue to watch tosh.0

@ Fen'harel That's the incident I was trying to remember.

I think his jokes almost always cross the line between what's appropriate and what isn't. Rape isn't funny, and there's no context in which it is. It is a horrible, terrible, life-changing thing to happen to anyone, male or female, and it should never be taken lightly at all.

I was following on Tumblr's posts about him and found out that he had asked for his viewers to record themselves "gently grabing" an unsuspecting woman's stomach while making sure to grab "a roll".
Link here.

I am honestly getting tired of this guy. He's inciting sexual harassment after ha had done it himself for the sake of his show.

And the twitter apology, really? A twitter apology for saying that it'd be funny if a girl from the audience was rapped by 5 men?

Audrey T I see what you're saying about joking about rape, how it could make people take it less seriously, but I would think that would be the same thing with video games, on how violence isn't as big of a deal since they see it so much. They see violence in video games a lot more often than hearing jokes about rape, I watch Tosh.0 (not all the time but about maybe once a week) and I don't remember hearing jokes about sexual harassment or rape, I'm not saying this is the first time he's done rape jokes. And violence is just as bad as rape.

Darkest Spells I think, especially with Tosh, it's easy to see that his words are often put into actions with his fanbase. Isn't he the guy who asks people to send in videos of themselves doing stupid things? And wasn't their issue in the past with him asking fans to do things to women which could be construed as sexual harassment or certainly close to it?

I think the problem is not so much that people are going to do exactly what he said, though. The problem is that constant and persistent jokes about rape - specifically jokes about raping women - softens rapes in the eyes of fans. If rape is funny and joking about raping is funny, the more that idea is pound into viewers head, the more likely they're to take actual instances of rape less seriously. "L-O-L. His sister got raped because someone she wasn't able to protect herself because of prank. That's hilarious."

If rape is a joke, then it's less likely to be taken seriously.

As much as I don't think rape jokes are funny, this is Daniel Tosh we're talking about. He makes offensive jokes to piss people off.

Saying that someone could rape someone cause he think Tosh says it's comical is the same thing as video games and TV shows telling people it's okay to kill someone. Of course that's my opinion. Most people know that violence in real life is bad, but you can't get rid of those video games and shows because of the few sick people that believe life is right that. Same thing with rape jokes, I'm not saying I think rape jokes are funny, I'm not and I would hope he would stop but for them to take him off the air because of that isn't right.

@ Invader Spiffy He insults women so much because his demographic is like 18-25 year old men.

That's something that also makes his behavior such an issue. That he has this audience that looks to him (like Kurtni mentioned), so instead of pandering to mindsets that would find this funny, he should be taking the opportunity and his position to pull people away from that.

It's also yet another thing women have to fear, because the fact that this is the kind of humor that appeals to men between that age says a lot about their feelings towards women and says a lot about our safety in certain situations. Would I want to be in a room with a group of men who find something like that funny? Hell no. And not's just because of different tastes in humor, but because I'd feel nervous and unsafe.

@ Airi I'm not surprised Tosh doesn't really care. I'm not surprised that he couldn't muster up a heartfelt apology. Because, as a successful comedian, with tons of fans backing him up, I see how easy it is for him to continue on. If the fans want it, of course he's not going to stop or change. If he gets people to agree with him, to back him up, then, yeah, he's not going to stop or feel like he's in the wrong.

It's not even so surprising that people are trying to blame this on the woman - because it happens all the time, from something like this to victim blaming in actual cases of rape. I mean, if people blame the victim and not the rapist, then it's not really surprising that they'd blame her and not him. Though, that doesn't make it any less troubling.

I think something else that's so scary about this (and situations like this) is that they perpetuate the thought that the best way to shut a woman up is through violence. I mean, he said what he said to get her to shut up. And it's scary that it's such a knee-jerk reaction for some people. A woman is saying something that bothers you (and of course, people are bother when someone is publicly telling you you're doing something wrong), so you threaten her with rape and that's should take care of it. It's really just another way to silence women, and I think that's something people need to pay attention to as well. It's not just about this guy telling insensitive jokes about touchy subjects, it's about a guy using the threat of rape and violence as a way to silence her.

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I feel like, even if we decided rape jokes were funny, how is saying to someone "Wouldn't it be funny if you got raped by 5 men, right now?" even a joke? How is that anything but a thread, especially when said in response to someone who - by his account - was heckling him? (Though taking a stand against rape jokes - saying "Rape jokes are NEVER funny" - in my opinion isn't heckling.)

Another question, If she had said something that couldn't in any way be construed as heckling - something like "Please, stop. These jokes about rape are threatening to women," - does anything think his response would have been any different? (Some people are arguing that he responded 'with a bite' like any comedian faced with a heckler would.)

Usually, I find Daniel Tosh very funny. I enjoy his show (Tosh.0) and watch it frequently. He definitely crosses the line with certain 'jokes' including this one. He has even made a joke that went something like, "I switched out my sister's pepper spray with silly string. She got raped. She was sooo mad at me." I do not find those funny at all and I think he needs to keep certain things out of his act. He insults women so much because his demographic is like 18-25 year old men. I watch for his jokes about things that are actually funny, not this garbage.

One of the things I find most horrifying about this situation is the lack of compassion and understanding that Tosh and a majority of his fanbase have towards this. Tosh and his fanbase don't seem to be understanding what they did wrong and are brushing it off as if it's just one big joke. They're acting like he's innocent and it's all the woman's fault because she "should have expected it", which is completely horrifying. It's astonishing that people are trying to pin this on the woman by saying she should have expected it to happen. It shows such a lack of compassion and human decency in general by Tosh and his fanbase. No one, no matter their gender, should have to expect this kind of sexual harassment when they go to a comedy club. No one should have to expect sexual harassment no matter where they are. This "joke" was more than just a joke, it crossed into sexual harassment.

Rape jokes are never funny nor appropriate no matter what context they're said in or who they're said by and I do think what Tosh did crossed the line into sexual harassment. I have never respected Tosh as a comedian and I would like to see him get fired (especially after this) but sadly, Comedy Central probably won't pull his show and will continue to act like Tosh did nothing wrong. Comedy Central is known for vulgar humor and brushing things off when their so-called 'comedians' go too far, they'll probably just brush this off too and let Tosh continue doing what he has been doing.

@ Kurtni Agreed. Comedy Central's reaction (or lack of reaction) isn't at all surprising because this isn't really a new issues. What I find more troubling is the reaction of people like you and me - the "audience". That people are defending him and shaming this woman and other women who feel the same, is what's really troubling. That people are saying she shouldn't be angry or upset or speak out because "it's just a joke" and people are saying she's doing something terrible by besmirching his name - though really, he's done that all on his own.

The responses to this by some of his fans (if you take a look at the reblog history of the original Tumblr post) is a scary thing, I think. To be a women and see that this is how so many people feel about rape and see how many people wouldn't stand with you if you were ever in this position...

And absolutely, if people can take a statement like that with such nonchalance, it's not a far cry to say that they may put these words to actions with the same ease and feel like they've done nothing wrong.

I think everyone is entitled to make whatever kind of lewd jokes they want, but to make offensive jokes and then be astonished by the backlash is naive. Just like a KKK member or neonazi, if you say something generally reprehensible, you better damn well be ready for the firestorm of criticism coming your way, because you earned it.

What scares me is the Daniel Tosh fanbase. They make all kinds of obnoxious videos and user submissions for his show; someone could take him seriously. Someone could legitimately have raped that woman thinking it would be comical because Daniel Tosh said so. I think when you're in his position, you need to be more responsible with what you say.

As far as comedy central goes, they have no standards, so I don't know why anyone would realistically expect them to fire Daniel Tosh, when their network is based on vulgar comedians like him. This type of disrespect and sexism is what makes Daniel Tosh profitable, sadly.

@ Katze I agree 100%. I think what's especially disturbing about this case is that it wasn't just some general rape-joke about some non-existent woman (though that's definitely not okay either), it was something that was said to and specifically targeted at an actual person sitting in an audience. I think that's a pretty scary position to be in. For someone to look at you and say "Wouldn't it be funny if you were raped by 5 guys, right now?" I don't see how that's funny at all.

@ Charity M. Lewis I definitely think that Tosh's success on Comedy Central plays a part in how the station execs are handling this incident (and how they've handled other Tosh-related incidents, because this certainly isn't the first time he's made jokes about rape, rapists, and victims of rape). I think like a lot of other businesses, they're going to continue to let it slide until he starts costing them money. As long as he's a financial asset, I don't see them taking any real action.

Daniel Tosh is just those kind of comedians who says the weirdest things concerning issues most people find to be a soft spot. Yet, I do feel in the way he said that rape joke was not okay. I do know that one comedian who had a comedy special on that channel made a rape joke (that he was a rapist rapist) and comedy central shot that down immediately and didn't let him say that joke on the special, but he did say that joke on a later video that he youtubed. Yet, he isn't as big as Daniel Tosh who is Comedy Central's pride and joy. So I don't know what will happen to him.

Rape jokes will NEVER be funny...
It's the most disgusting thing that can ever be done to someone.