Hatred for a Whole Year? Get Over It T-Swift - Comments

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@ dougie poynter;

@ dougie poynter;
I can tell when artists are singing live, and most people can as well, it's not that difficult.

[url=http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBOTqQmMYE&client=mv-google&hl=pt&guid=&gl=PT]So untalented and shitty, wow[/url]

@ Kinki Jinki
Yeah, using it sparingly to fix one or two notes is alright, but using it almost constantly is ridiculous. Thing is though, you can use auto-tune in live performances as well, so it can't always be a definite way to tell but most artists won't use it live. I think it's only really on television programmes that you can use it without worry because it sounds a bit strange if it's at an actual concert.

@ dougie poynter;
All artists use auto tune in records, even if only a little. The only way to tell if a singer really has talent is by watching live performances.

@ Kinki Jinki
Oh, it really is. Yeah, K-pop and J-pop are perfect examples of it. People used to laugh at me for listening to Arashi, but those guys are ridiculously talented and sing amazing songs. On the other hand, half of said friends listen to Flo Rida and Aviici who I am convinced use auto-tune. They might not, I could be wrong, but I think they might. In all honesty, I have no problem with people liking what they like as long as they don't slag other people off for their musical tastes. I have an opinion which I can state respectfully, but half of the arguments I've had about music taste have ended in "yeah but you like McFly and they are manufactured pop shit", which irritates me more than anything. I wouldn't say that about someone else's music taste (I might THINK it) to their face. It just seems a bit strange to belittle someone for the genre that they perform in.

Yeah, media is always going to have a major hold on the industry. Half of my class have an opinion on music that differs from the mainstream, but I think that's because we are all studying music on a commercial level. We kind of have to have an opinion more than most.

@ dougie poynter;
It's a bit annoying that people who can't even sing without auto-tune are being more praised than singers with amazing voices, but life has always been unfair.

Then you have super talented folks who make pop music and are automatically deemed as shitty singers because they sing pop. Look at K-pop, it's crawling with men and women with outstanding talent, yet people belittle them based on the genre they sing.

Ultimately, people will be influenced by the media, except those who are willing to get informed and form an opinion.

@ Kinki Jinki
That is the point about the mainstream that I was trying to make (in an incredibly warped and roundabout way because it's early and my brain hasn't fully woken up). For singles to sell, they need to fit a certain description and I think that's what saddens me the most. It used to be that a single was the best track from the album but now it seems to be that the single is the song written specifically to get publicity. In a way, I understand that. Music is a business and a career and people need to make money off of it. It's the main reason why I won't call anyone a sell-out, because people have families to feed and bills to pay. If you have to change your musical direction to do that, then do it.

Oh, trust me, I stay well away from that. There are one or two songs that I'll listen to that are catchy but I tend to steer away from the radio altogether. The media is always going to broadcast the money-makers because they are what's in right now. I actually had to write an essay on this topic for university last year and it's really interesting to read about what shapes people into liking those tracks. It's all what we would call legitimate speakers, the guys at the top with the power. For instance, if Simon Cowell (bad example, I know) was to say that an artist is good then a lot of people would take his word for it because he has so much standing in the music industry. Radio shows will play that track, people will hear it frequently and it ends up being a really popular track. It all has to do with how much cultural standing you have as to what gets on the radio now. It's a super-interesting topic to read about, but in practise it irritates me because it means that anything that the bigwigs like gets loads of publicity. I wouldn't ever blame the bands for it, they are just doing what they do to make money. I'd honestly blame the entire industry as a whole because it is flawed in more sense than one (something that I've learned over the past year of my degree) and people are just trying to make money in a world where downloading stuff is easier than going out and buying a CD.

@ dougie poynter;
If you listen to Katy Perry's tracks that aren't so well known, there's meaning to them. Ofc most of them are about Katy's personal experiences, but very relatable. But those don't become singles because it wouldn't sell.

I know what you mean, like, there are so many songs that are just "let's drink and fuck and gangsta yo", but we can stay away from it. Ofc the media is going to broadcast what makes the money but we, as consumers, have the power to make a choice. I don't blame the artists for making those songs, I blame the people who allow these songs to be so popular. Music and overall art does have the power to change minds, but we have the power to only be influenced by what speaks to us.

@ Kinki Jinki
There definitely are some artists that still put meaning into their songs (although I personally wouldn't consider Katy Petty to be one), but most of the mainstream artists that I'm talking about don't seem to, in my opinion. I'd definitely agree that every single one of the bands you mentioned puts out a lot of songs with meaning and important statements, but I wouldn't consider one of them to be mainstream in the sense that I use it. I've probably made that a bit confusing, but I consider mainstream artists to be ones that frequently appear in the Top 40 chart shows on radio stations.

I'm definitely not saying that all music should be super-meaningful and have a massive message in it. I just feel that as an art form, it should have some level of depth and it sometimes feels like people don't put effort into writing songs anymore and just churn out anything to make money. As an aspiring musician and a music student, that just makes me a little sad because a lot of people demean music in the first place as an easy career choice, but it isn't. The more songs that come out with stories of sex drugs and rock 'n' roll in them, the more I struggle to justify my own choice with other people. I think that's why it irks me so much.

dougie poynter;:

Sometimes I just feel that the meaning has gone from music. The only band in the mainstream (and they aren't even that mainstream anymore) that I'd consider to still write thoughtful songs with a solid story behind them are McFly and some of One Direction's songs and that saddens me. It's all sex, booze and walking like Rihanna now.

I don't agree with this. There are so many mainstream artists that write/perform music that could be considered deep, yet they're judged based on the singles they release. Like Katy Perry, for example. Not to mention Metal/Rock bands that are widely known and make important political statements: Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Rage Against the Machine, System of a Down, even Linkin Park...

Also, music is music. Not all music needs to be super meaningful and arguing over music's depth doesn't make sense to me. But that's my opinion, ofc.

@ kitsch
Exactly. Pink is very talented, I'll give her that. But her attitude just grinds my gears. She does not have the right to call anyone a slut or shame anyone.

Ofc, in the show business, a lot of people develop that attitude and stick to it, which is why I can't idolise celebrities.

I definitely agree with this. I learn all about the music industry at university and I understand that she has to make money somehow in a world that is more intent on illegally downloading songs than buying them, but listening to the same old story in different words each time is just a bit ridiculous.

Sometimes I just feel that the meaning has gone from music. The only band in the mainstream (and they aren't even that mainstream anymore) that I'd consider to still write thoughtful songs with a solid story behind them are McFly and some of One Direction's songs and that saddens me. It's all sex, booze and walking like Rihanna now.

I'm not even a huge Pink fan, so it's cool. You're entitled to that opinion. The entertainment industry is full of drama
and Illuminati aside, I think it really damages people in the long run if they stay in that industry. But that's a whole other
story. Celebrities pick on each other when they should really be encouraging each other, you know?
But that's how it is, sadly, and every star wants to be in the limelight or they don't get any $$$. They do PR stunts
to get their name out there when their talent is not being put in the media.

@ Kinki Jinki

@ kitsch
I don't mean to offend you or Pink or Pink's fans, but I think she's fake. She makes fun of singers who expose their bodies -like Christina Aguilera, who she apparently hates- yet, look at Pink's outfits. I have nothing against her clothes and she can wear whatever the fuck she likes, but making fun of others and then doing the exact same thing is just silly. She also seems to hate pop stars, but what she, again? Yeah...

@ prostitute Simple answer: Music has devolved. I'm sure there's a more complex answer but simple is best for now.

@ deandra the new girl I did not know Adele and Taylor were the same age. Did maturity somehow become overrated and nobody informed me? Honestly, the only songs I hear are those broadcasted on radio, I never wanted to delve further but if what you're saying is true, I am shocked at the level of maturity.

The one thing that REALLY bugs me, is why hold a grudge for a whole year? It does not make sense to me.

I cannot stand Taylor Swift. I used to love her when her first album came out when she was country. But the constant using her ex boyfriends as cash cows to write songs is getting a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Did you know her and Adele are around the same age? The maturity level is immensely different to the point it's shocking. I do not think she should be thought of as the angel that she is to girls - it's a very unhealthy mindset to have that seemingly all boys you date are in the wrong and you're always the victim. That may not be how she feels, but that is what I get from her music.

How are people that don't even write their own songs more talented than someone who does? I don't like any of these people but... what?

@ Sorceress:. I'm not fully agreeing with you, but I understand where you come from when you say she needs to grow up. The only reason I'm still partial to her is because it's making her money, she knows how to get teenagers riled up. A lot of the times it's because her audiences are young children to more-older teenagers. That time between being a young child to becoming a teenager, a lot of the stuff you hear around you shapes who you become.

So, if writing a cheesy pop song is the way to get it off your chest, well that's much better than going out and murdering or threatening any exes you may have in life. The aspect I don't agree with is her flaunting in her exes faces, "Oh, did you hear? I got an award for writing a song about us breaking up! Yeah, that's right. YOU! YOU! And YOU!"

@LettersToNormady I'm not too sure to be honest, I'm just going off by what I saw on the 2013 VMAs when she spoke about how she gloatingly got the award, the camera then showing Harry and his friends. I don't follow Taylor enough to know when songs were released. Maybe I may not have sufficient information, you're right, that should teach me to write this up.

But none of this was really about Taylor, she was an example to a bigger question. I was writing this blog in hopes that someone could help me understand jealousy or hatred, because I've never hated or been jealous long enough for some sort of satisfaction to come around in a year to gloat in their face that I won something because of our break up.

I'm a firm believer of "It happened, it didn't work now I can move onto bigger things" and the all popular "No use dwelling on the past".

Didn't that CD come out before she dated the kid...? I honestly am curious, not trying to be rude. I thought "I Knew You Were Trouble" was about John Mayer since it was following that relationship and she had a lot of built up rage towards Mayer but before she started dating the Harry kid. Because wasn't she with that Kennedy kid when Red first dropped and then Harry came after that?

I just thought it was an assumption since IKYWB came out as a single around the time they broke up it was about him when she really penned it for Mayer?

Sorry. Just curious.

Taylor Swift is a bully. Honestly. If anyone else took a microphone and said half the things she does in a song, directing it at someone the same way she does at these stupid music awards affairs, it would be considered bullying. I don't mean to be harsh, but she is honestly a complete and total bitch. It was cute when she was 12, she's what, 24 now? It's about time for her to just grow up.