Is God Real?

poetic tragedy:

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

But if God is so great, why not seek him all the time?

Dancing Caveman:

poetic tragedy:

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

But if God is so great, why not seek him all the time?

Because people sin. They stray, and no one is perfect in their actions.

poetic tragedy:

Dancing Caveman:

poetic tragedy:

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

But if God is so great, why not seek him all the time?

Because people sin. They stray, and no one is perfect in their actions.

But why would you do that if God's love is so great? Wouldn't it be easy to live for him if you could feel his love all the time?

It all goes back to the fact that we are human, therefore, we sin. If we were perfect, we wouldn't need Gods love, grace, help, etc. And you're right. It would be easier to live for Him then to constantly stray, but thats the problem. We stray from God. He doesn't stray from us.

Dancing Caveman:

poetic tragedy:

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

But if God is so great, why not seek him all the time?

To add to what poetic tragedy said, the reason we don't seek him all the time is due to the nature of the world and how we as humans interact with the world. Worldly things often seem more attractive to us than seeking God, particularly when times get hard. We question, and then we may stray, or we ma strive to keep seeking Him.

VampShadsOwns:

Dancing Caveman:

poetic tragedy:

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

But if God is so great, why not seek him all the time?

To add to what poetic tragedy said, the reason we don't seek him all the time is due to the nature of the world and how we as humans interact with the world. Worldly things often seem more attractive to us than seeking God, particularly when times get hard. We question, and then we may stray, or we ma strive to keep seeking Him.

Why do people tend to seek him mostly when they hit the bottom?

Josipa: Because we've hit rock bottom, because we believe that no human can help us...so we seek God, because we believe He is bigger than all circumstances and can help us through it.

poetic tragedy:

Because people sin. They stray, and no one is perfect in their actions.

I'd have to disagree. I think people can be perfect if they strive to be. They can be perfect to someone else, or they can be perfect with the person that they are. It's someone's mistakes that help them become a better person.

Also, I think it is possible for humans to seek god everyday, and lead good lives in the eyes of "god". I think if you really want to lead a good life, you'd need to try harder. Anything is possible, and don't just say we don't seek god every because "we are human, therefore we sin", that's an overused excuse. We don't have to sin, we just choose to because we think it's our nature. The whole idea that humans are prone to sin is BS, in my opinion. If you wanted to lead a perfect life, you need to try harder. It is possible to seek your "god" everyday, you just think you can't once in a while because you're told that's okay because you're not perfect. It's just how people follow what they've been told. Just because we're told we can never be perfect doesn't mean we can't be.

^ Exactly. And what about these passages from the Bible:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Sounds like you're supposed to be perfect. And there are Christians out there who claim that they no longer sin.

Dancing Caveman:

^ Exactly. And what about these passages from the Bible:

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Sounds like you're supposed to be perfect. And there are Christians out there who claim that they no longer sin.

The Christian's who claim they no longer sin...I haven't heard of that...we are all sinful. Perhaps they don't sin as much...or they strive not to...but I doubt they dont sin anymore.

We are perfect in God's eyes if we accept Jesus into our lives. We are in Jesus...and he is in us. Perfection does not have to mean we don't sin...it means that we are willing to admit to our sins and not commit them again.

^ It's a small minority, but they're there. They claim that they don't sin, but they do do things that they regret. However, it's not premeditated; ergo, it's not a sin.

Either way, the point is to not sin. At all. That's what it clearly says in the Bible.

The passage you took from John was in reference to a woman who'd committed adultery; something condemned in the Ten Commandments. It also clearly shows Jesus saying he wasn't comdemming her for it. So Jesus seemingly notices that humans sin sometimes.

Dancing Caveman:

^ It's a small minority, but they're there. They claim that they don't sin, but they do do things that they regret. However, it's not premeditated; ergo, it's not a sin.

Either way, the point is to not sin. At all. That's what it clearly says in the Bible.

It doesn't have to be premeditated to be a sin, in the third evening prayer to the Holy Ghost in the Romanian Orthodox Church cannon (I looked for an equivalent in English, but couldn't find it at a google search), you ask forgiveness for your sins, one of the phrases goes like this:

Pacatele mele cele de voie si cele fara de voie, cele stiute si cele nestiute, care sunt din tinerete si din obiceiul cel rau si care sunt din voia cea sloboda si din lene : ori de m-am jurat cu numele Tau, ori de L-am hulit in gandul meu, sau pe cineva am ocarat, etc.

Which roughly translated sounds like this: [Have mercy of me, Your humble slave, and forgive] My sins both those that I meant and those that I didn't, those that I know of and those that are unknown to me, those I committed because of my young age and those I did because of bad habits and those that are due to my laziness: I either swore in your name, or I cursed in my thoughts, or if I ever bashed someone, and a long list of possible sins (including eating too much and with too much pleasure, getting drunk, laughing at somebody, not giving money to the poor, and all other sins you don't remember). It's a wonderful prayer and it shows that fundamentally, anything that strays you from God is a sin, not just the ten mortal sins.

Sheepy:

The passage you took from John was in reference to a woman who'd committed adultery; something condemned in the Ten Commandments. It also clearly shows Jesus saying he wasn't comdemming her for it. So Jesus seemingly notices that humans sin sometimes.

Right. He forgives her and tells her not to sin anymore. Whether or not he meant that one shouldn't committ the same sin they were just saved from or to just not sin anymore is a bit ambigious. Since I'm not Christian, it doesn't mean a lot to me, either way.

Dancing Caveman:

Sheepy:

The passage you took from John was in reference to a woman who'd committed adultery; something condemned in the Ten Commandments. It also clearly shows Jesus saying he wasn't comdemming her for it. So Jesus seemingly notices that humans sin sometimes.

Right. He forgives her and tells her not to sin anymore. Whether or not he meant that one shouldn't committ the same sin they were just saved from or to just not sin anymore is a bit ambigious. Since I'm not Christian, it doesn't mean a lot to me, either way.

Should He have told her "go on, sin all you want"?

^
That's not the point Dancing Caveman is trying to make. I believe she's trying to get across the idea that is is possible to abstain from sin.

I am not really Christian. But I do believe in a god. Mostly because I think evolution is completely full of crap. And the world is too detailed and magnifient to just be a result of a big boom.

kafka.:

Dancing Caveman:

Sheepy:

The passage you took from John was in reference to a woman who'd committed adultery; something condemned in the Ten Commandments. It also clearly shows Jesus saying he wasn't comdemming her for it. So Jesus seemingly notices that humans sin sometimes.

Right. He forgives her and tells her not to sin anymore. Whether or not he meant that one shouldn't committ the same sin they were just saved from or to just not sin anymore is a bit ambigious. Since I'm not Christian, it doesn't mean a lot to me, either way.

Should He have told her "go on, sin all you want"?

As Kelsey pointed out, that's not really my point. He said to sin no more, not to go out and do whatever and pray for forgiveness. He said "sin no more." Not "just be more careful next time, lol."

Morpheus_James:

I am not really Christian. But I do believe in a god. Mostly because I think evolution is completely full of crap. And the world is too detailed and magnifient to just be a result of a big boom.

1. Why do you think evolution is full of crap?
2. People don't really understand the Big Bang concept very well. It is misnamed. Anyway, personally I believe God caused the 'Big Bang' so saying that you believe in a God doesn't automatically exclude the Big Bang Theory.

VampShadsOwns:

Morpheus_James:

I am not really Christian. But I do believe in a god. Mostly because I think evolution is completely full of crap. And the world is too detailed and magnifient to just be a result of a big boom.

1. Why do you think evolution is full of crap?
2. People don't really understand the Big Bang concept very well. It is misnamed. Anyway, personally I believe God caused the 'Big Bang' so saying that you believe in a God doesn't automatically exclude the Big Bang Theory.

1. I understand the concept, but I don't agree that it is fact. I just don't think it's necessarily feasible. Maybe 'full of crap' wasn't the best word choice.
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2. You may be right, bu again. I don't think that it is fact.