Is God Real?

Dancing Caveman:

^ Hey, here's an idea. Go stand in the middle of an interstate and see if cars will hit you. Because, hey, maybe one day, the assumption that science makes about cause and effect will be wrong.

The subject on which I'm speaking is a matter of philosophy, Caveman. You wouldn't understand...

^Rule four, and there have been philosophical arguments based solely or chiefly on the reliance on universal cause and effect. It's not something exclusive to atheistic science.

Sheepy:

^Rule four, and there have been philosophical arguments based solely or chiefly on the reliance on universal cause and effect. It's not something exclusive to atheistic science.

Okay, guilty as charged.

Anyways, Caveman, I never said the universe wasn't rational, only that it was impossible to prove.

And yes Sheepy, most arguments rely on cause and effect. I focus on atheistic science though because I feel it is a little misguided when it invokes reason in order to mock faith.

You don't need proof. You believe in whatever you want to believe in. A lot of religions seem like nonsense to me, so I'm a Christian. It's just your decision. You could be an Atheist, might not make your mom happy, but my parents are understanding, but I know what I want.

Perihelion_:

Anyways, Caveman, I never said the universe wasn't rational, only that it was impossible to prove.

And I never said that you said otherwise. You just said that it can't be proven that the universe is something rational, hence me telling you to stand in the middle of an interstate.

The idea of radical skepticism, I feel, is completely bogus. I also found it to be completely bogus when it was brought up in my Philosophy of Religion course that I took at college that you might not think I've taken since you think I don't understand philosophy.

The short answer is - none.

That's where 'faith' originated from.
Attempting to rationalise God's existence only ends in stupidity anyway, as the famous 'banana - an atheists worst nightmare' argument proves.

I don't believe he excists. I believe he is just a myth made up to make us believe and keep faith. Alright, this is a good motivational speech. But think about how many fights "God" has created. Whether science or religion is better yada yada. If God is so great why doesn't he do something to show that he's there

StaticRainbows:

I don't believe he excists. I believe he is just a myth made up to make us believe and keep faith. Alright, this is a good motivational speech. But think about how many fights "God" has created. Whether science or religion is better yada yada. If God is so great why doesn't he do something to show that he's there

Yes if "God" is supposed to watching over us, they why is they world so chaotic?

I know the world can't be perfect but it could be better.

Dancing Caveman:

Perihelion_:

Anyways, Caveman, I never said the universe wasn't rational, only that it was impossible to prove.

And I never said that you said otherwise. You just said that it can't be proven that the universe is something rational, hence me telling you to stand in the middle of an interstate.

The idea of radical skepticism, I feel, is completely bogus.

I think radical skepticism is bogus too, and like most other people I live my life assuming many things are true when I really don't know if they are or not. So I'm not understanding why you would tell me to stand in the middle of an interstate? I believe the universe operates according to reason. You believe the universe operates according to reason. But it is still an unprovable belief. What I have a problem with are people who ignore the fact that it is a belief and pretend they can prove everything operates according to reason when they really can't.

^But it's not really a belief if that's just the way things are.

StaticRainbows:

I don't believe he excists. I believe he is just a myth made up to make us believe and keep faith. Alright, this is a good motivational speech. But think about how many fights "God" has created. Whether science or religion is better yada yada. If God is so great why doesn't he do something to show that he's there

God is not an exhibitionist. He has shown Himself to those who seek Him.

Dancing Caveman:

I make a distinction between faith and trust. I trust in people. I don't have any faith.

I agree with this statement. :coffee:

Michael J. Fox:

Dancing Caveman:

I make a distinction between faith and trust. I trust in people. I don't have any faith.

I agree with this statement. :coffee:

Yes, I agree because trust is bigger than faith.

Rule two, people.

Caveman, perhaps I'm needlessly pressing the issue, but if you took a philosophy class I don't understand how you could just come out and say "it's not really a belief, that's just the way things are"?

Perihelion_:

Rule two, people.

Caveman, perhaps I'm needlessly pressing the issue, but if you took a philosophy class I don't understand how you could just come out and say "it's not really a belief, that's just the way things are"?

Actually, it is just the way things are. The laws of science have been proved, that's why they're laws. Yes, science has many theories as well, but the majority of the laws that affect our every day lives are laws. For example-gravity. If it didn't exist...well, we wouldn't exist. The existence of a force that pulls us down to earth because of a combination of different forces, and a force that pulls together the entire universe, is just logical. It requires the least amount of assumptions. Now, I could say that little fairies and leprechauns are holding onto our ankles and that's how we stay on the ground, but that requires a lot of assumptions.
Occam's Razor. The answer that requires the least amount of assumptions is likely correct.
Science requires less assumptions than god, for me, and for a lot of people.

xoscarletfirexo:

I find that as much as I want to believe in a God there is little proof.

If you put your faith in God, then you don't need physical proof.

faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

Ckaye:

StaticRainbows:

I don't believe he excists. I believe he is just a myth made up to make us believe and keep faith. Alright, this is a good motivational speech. But think about how many fights "God" has created. Whether science or religion is better yada yada. If God is so great why doesn't he do something to show that he's there

Yes if "God" is supposed to watching over us, they why is they world so chaotic?

I know the world can't be perfect but it could be better.

The world is so chaotic because we aren't seeking him to help us. Like VampShadsOwns said: "God is not an exhibitionist. He has shown Himself to those who seek Him."

^ So, do you always have good days? Does nothing ever go wrong? Do you ever feel pain?

Clearly, you seek him, so your life has to be perfect.

^No, because I admit that I don't seek him everyday. Sometimes I push him away. But the days I do look to God are exceptionally better for me.

Nothing will be perfect until we are with him in eternity...