Points

@ Death The Angel
It's Dujo's website though, I'm sure he doesn't want other people working on what he's been building for so many years. It takes a vision to create a website and make it your own, adding other people to help build it... that's not right, which is why there's the Suggestion page, so Dujo can help understand what others need/don't need, without them touching what's his, you know?

@the drupocalypse

at the end of the day it is an unfair advantage as it is intended that the point system is intended for stories etc however it's not implimented yet for them. how can you not see that?
i'm sure if other's had the ability to get points and you didn't (without changing what you actually do) you'd be in the same position as death the angel

also, i didn't realise people shot other people down when they give opinions. you say 'If Dujo wanted that, I'm sure he would have asked for it several years ago.' but do you have any proof on that case? for a person who writes articles its quite worrying that you dont verify your facts before you post

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@ Death The Angel
It's Dujo's website though, I'm sure he doesn't want other people working on what he's been building for so many years. It takes a vision to create a website and make it your own, adding other people to help build it... that's not right, which is why there's the Suggestion page, so Dujo can help understand what others need/don't need, without them touching what's his, you know?

the point of a beta testing section is to test the new features that have the potential to be on mibba to see how it'd work and how the beta testing community would work. sure there's a suggestion forum but i doubt he's read every thread in that, and thinks on paper can be alot different to practical use.

@ squiblm
I'm not saying Beta testing, I'm talking about when Death The Angel said: "...but there are plenty of people on mibba who know how to build and upgrade websites and are more than willing to help Dujo accomplish what he set out to do three years ago."

That. I'm talking about others trying to build Dujo's site for him.

And I don't see how it's an "unfair advantage" anyhow. People worked hard for their points, the same as others with lesser points can do. And Points don't do anything now, anyway. It's not unfair. Anyone can write an article/review/etc., just as Dru said.

@ ladyschrei
I merely meant that there are people on this webiste that understand the knowledge of websites itself. Points may be useless right now but when they become useful only people who write articles, news and review will be able to use them straight away whereas the rest of us will have to start gaining the points before we can use them.

Futhermore why should we have to bend to writing articles when that's not what we enjoy doing?

@ Death The Angel
That just means you'll have to work for them though, same as though who have more now worked for theirs. Whether that includes writing articles, or waiting until the Point system fully works.

HOW HAS THIS BEEN POSTED 3 YEARS AGO WHAT IS THIS BLACK MAGIV

@ squiblm
It isn't unfair because everyone on this site has the right and opportunity to write reviews, articles, and news. If they didn't all have the same opportunity, it would be unfair. Just because some people decide they don't want to do the stuff, doesn't make it unfair. It just means they don't want to have to do the work required to get the points.

It's like saying it's unfair that your brother got his allowance and you didn't, but he did his job and you didn't. You had the opportunity, you just decided you didn't want to take it.

As for knowing whether or not Dujo wants help, yes I do talk to admins and staff members and am fairly confident in what I'm saying.

@ ladyschrei
Which leads me back to my first question. How is it fair for the rest of us?

And I note that you didn't answer my question:

Death The Angel:

@ ladyschrei
Futhermore why should we have to bend to writing articles when that's not what we enjoy doing?

@ Badinator
lol Baden, I think I'm going to be a tad bit late :L I have to walk to yours and I clearly haven't left my house sorry

@ Death The Angel
What you seem to be saying is 'I don't want to write articles, so everyone should bend the points so that I get points for what I want to do'. Am I mistaken? It seems like you know you can get points, you just don't want them that way, so you're claiming it's unfair that other individuals are putting forth the effort you refuse to.

You can earn points like everyone else. You are choosing not to. That's fine, but don't blame the site because you don't want to do something to earn points.

You have to bend because you want the reward. If you want the reward, you have to do what is required. If you want your allowance, you have to do your chores. I know you want it without having to do any work, but that's not the point.

@ Death The Angel
I'm going to quote Dru up there.

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It isn't unfair because everyone on this site has the right and opportunity to write reviews, articles, and news. If they didn't all have the same opportunity, it would be unfair. Just because some people decide they don't want to do the stuff, doesn't make it unfair. It just means they don't want to have to do the work required to get the points.

It's like saying it's unfair that your brother got his allowance and you didn't, but he did his job and you didn't. You had the opportunity, you just decided you didn't want to take it.

You're not bending to do anything. It's a personal choice. If you don't want to, don't. No one's making you.

I think the point that Death the Angel is trying to make is that while others who are good at articles and the other rewarded posts, other mibbians may not be so comfortable writing in that style. Perhaps points could also be awarded for people reading how-to guides, or mentoring another person through their writing. That way, everyone really would have an equal chance and would learn a new writing style or perspective as well.

@ scarletdragon
The point is understood. However, to insinuate it is unfair is unfair. It's untrue to state that because everyone has the same opportunities and some people would rather not break outside of their comfort zone and try something different, that it isn't fair to those who actively refuse and choose to not write articles, reviews, and news.

There is an equal chance right now.

Or is it only equal if you don't have to do anything different and you get rewarded for everything you already do now?

@ scarletdragon
I'm sure that's something that could be considered, but the thing is, the Points system isn't fully working right now. Dujo made it only so Points are earned by writing articles, reviews, etc. When the system is fully working, Points will be earned and shared through other means, but for right now, this is the only way to do it, because that's how Dujo made it.

Everyone does have an equal chance right now though. It isn't hard to write articles at all. All different types are published, all on different writing levels, if you will.

@ the drupocalypse.

So basically what you're saying is that I'm too lazy to write an article therefore I shouldn't get points? When in reality I do work hard on my creative writing stories but because I don't get points it goes understated and I'm assumed lazy.

You said it's untrue to state but it's my opinion. I'm only trying to be open-minded to this situation.

@ Death The Angel
She's saying unfair is the wrong word to use. Unfair means: not fair; not conforming to approved standards, as of justice, honesty, or ethics. It is fair because everyone is 'conforming to approved standards'. Everyone is held to the same standards so it is fair.

@ Death The Angel
What I'm saying is that you have the choice to write articles and you are choosing not to. You want to be rewarded for doing exactly what you are doing now.

No one assumes anyone is lazy on Mibba for a lack of points, unless you do. Most people don't even know how points work, let alone know enough about them to judge someone's laziness or work ethic off it.

It's untrue to say it's unfair that because you choose not to do the work, you don't get the points. Just because you want the points and don't want to do extra work, doesn't mean it's unfair that Mibba isn't changing the system to give you points. It's just unfair that you can't get points for what you want.

It would be nice to get points for poems and stories and maybe blogs we post on the site. There should be regulations, of course. But it would be nice because then the points would be easier to earn.

Some people can't write articles or reviews or even submit books, so it would be nice if points were earned that way too. I think it would be a cool idea if we could regulate some of our posted stories and poems so that they could earn points. For example we could submit the first chapter, or submit the whole story, like we do with articles, and get points for what it is. Obviously like articles, editors would go through and could look over it.

It's a way to get points for anyone.

@ Psychotic Secrets
There is a suggestion thread about points here. The point system isn't finished yet, so more features will be added in the future, possibly based on the suggestions in that thread :)

I'm still very confused about the whole point system. I don't even know how I got the little spare five points I have, so I'd like to know the real idea behind all this.