No, they'd be Haitian/ Jamaican/Bajan Americans, though "Black" would be used as a blanket term in the same sense that "White" is.
- Toby Turner:
- Just a quick question (not really jumping into the debate) but do black people from the West Indies (Or the Caribbean) get classified as African American in the US? Because if they do, that must get a bit annoying if they come from the Caribbean.
Cheers mate.
- Kurtni:
- No, they'd be Haitian/ Jamaican/Bajan Americans, though "Black" would be used as a blanket term in the same sense that "White" is.
Socially, they're not called African American, but where they're from. But when signing a form or whatnot, there isn't the option of all of those islands. It's either African American/ black or from African decent.
- Toby Turner:
- Just a quick question (not really jumping into the debate) but do black people from the West Indies (Or the Caribbean) get classified as African American in the US? Because if they do, that must get a bit annoying if they come from the Caribbean.
The thing is, I was always taught America was the continent. It has never made any sense to me that people from the US only think of themselves as Americans (and everyone I know from Latin America thinks it is egotistical). Chances are black people from Mexico all the way down to Chile and Argentina would be more annoyed by that. Perhaps Canadians, too.
- The Master.:
- Just a quick question (not really jumping into the debate) but do black people from the West Indies (Or the Caribbean) get classified as African American in the US? Because if they do, that must get a bit annoying if they come from the Caribbean.
It's the same problem as when people from Northern Ireland or the Orkneys get called Brits although they don't actually live in Britain, you just can't make a non-silly sounding adjective from country names like the United States or the United Kingdom. Unitedstatian or Unitedkingdomish just don't work.
- pierrot the clown.:
- The thing is, I was always taught America was the continent. It has never made any sense to me that people from the US only think of themselves as Americans (and everyone I know from Latin America thinks it is egotistical). Chances are black people from Mexico all the way down to Chile and Argentina would be more annoyed by that. Perhaps Canadians, too.
And the followup:
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- IN A HORRIFIC assault in Center City on Saturday night, three teenagers who were spouting racial slurs pulled a man out of a cab to beat him. And when the cabdriver intervened to stop the assault, the teens turned their rage on him, police said yesterday.
About 8:25 p.m., a cab was stopped at a red light at 15th and Chestnut streets when two 17-year-old boys and a 15-year-old boy approached and started calling the male passenger in the back seat racially derogatory names, police said.
I'm sorry. If that had been reversed, the three white teens would have been slammed with a hate crime charge in an instant.
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- THREE JUVENILES accused of assaulting a cabdriver and his passenger in Center City Saturday night while shouting racial slurs will not be charged with a hate crime, the District Attorney's Office said yesterday.
The teens, who are black, were not charged with hate crimes because there was no evidence that the assault had been motivated by the race of the victims, who are white, said Tasha Jamerson, D.A. spokeswoman. Just shouting racial epithets during the commission of a crime doesn't rise to the level of ethnic intimidation, she said.
"They just didn't have that in this case," she said. "If they had somebody who, two blocks before, heard them say, 'We're going to beat somebody up because they're white, brown or purple,' it might be different."
However, the three teens - two of whom are 17 and one who is 15 - have all been hit with additional counts of aggravated assault, since the passenger in the cab, Brian Goldman, came forward Monday.
About 8:30 p.m. Saturday, Goldman was in a cab that was stopped at a red light at 15th and Chestnut streets when he and his 53-year-old cabdriver were assaulted at random.
Goldman escaped. The cabbie, whom police have not identified, was able to flag down officers who nabbed the attackers. Goldman said that he hadn't heard any of the attackers make racial comments, but police said that the cabbie heard them.
Can you prove that? Nobody hears of the hate crimes against marginalized peoples that go unpunished, after all. (Not to mention the disproportionate amount of POC in jails. I'm fairly sure I debated this before in this same thread...)
- lovecraft:
- I'm sorry. If that had been reversed, the three white teens would have been slammed with a hate crime charge in an instant.
That's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, seeing as how you've said numerous times your opinions are rooted in anger and stubbornness and you're not open to anyone else's ideas.
- ayanasioux:
- @lovecraft. I don't mean to gang up on you, but sometimes I feel you can be biased with your debates. I have to agree with pierrot the clown. on his statement.
You need an example? Here.
- pierrot the clown.:
- Can you prove that? Nobody hears of the hate crimes against marginalized peoples that go unpunished, after all. (Not to mention the disproportionate amount of POC in jails. I'm fairly sure I debated this before in this same thread...)
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Just leaving this here.
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- On June 29, 2005, three African-Americans were attacked with baseball bats by white men. One of them was injured seriously enough to be hospitalized and two arrests were made in the case. The convicted assailant, Nicholas Minucci, claimed that the victims had attempted to rob him.[16] On June 10, 2006, Minucci, 20, who uttered a racial epithet during the baseball bat attack, was found guilty of robbery and the racially motivated assault of Glenn Moore.[17] On July 17, 2006, Minucci was sentenced to 15 years in prison.[18]
Numerous times or just this one time on this one debate? I wouldn't say numerous, and I am very open to people's ideas. Just because I don't accept all of them, that doesn't mean I'm not open to them.
- Kurtini.:
- That's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, seeing as how you've said numerous times your opinions are rooted in anger and stubbornness and you're not open to anyone else's ideas.
I seriously doubt you want me to go finding multiple quotes from multiple threads, because this isn't personal, but what she said is accurate.
- ayanasioux:
- Numerous times or just this one time on this one debate? I wouldn't say numerous, and I am very open to people's ideas. Just because I don't accept all of them, that doesn't mean I'm not open to them.
@lovecraft.
Just wanting to know, why do you think "those people" are so quick to arrest white people for a hate crime over a black person?
Look back through this thread, or this one or this one. I'm not PM'ing you examples because I'd rather not get in trouble for harassing you. (and it's beside the point, anyways, unless you're actually going to listen to Kurtni telling you you're the pot calling the kettle black)
- ayanasioux:
- ^Yes, I want you to give me multiple quotes from threads I've been on and give me examples (message them to me) because I really want to know where you're seeing me speaking from hate many times.
And who do you think will go to prison the fastest out of the two of them? I don't think you can justify the matter just because you say white people are quicker to go to jail for hate crimes, when black people go to prison way before any other race for anything.
