Illegal Song Downloading.

I don't believe that illegal song downloading is right, but I feel that in some situations, it is needed.

You may disagree with me, but my father works in the music industry. The money is not made from the cds, it is made from the tours. Sure, if you are a multi million selling band, you are going to make some money from it, but the majority of it goes to the label.

It's really complicated really, but basically, a band doesn't profitmuch from a record.

If people can listen to the music regularly, on an mp3, over youtube, they are going to go to the shows. Even by illegally downloading, you are still supporting the band.

Finally, what's the difference between borrowing the cd from your friend to put on itunes and downloading it of limewire. Downloading over the internet is just like borrowing a cd from a friend in another country. (I know not exactly the same, but it's the same kind of thing.)

I believe music is a vital part of life, you shouldn't be denied that because you don't have enough money.

borndead.:

It's really complicated really, but basically, a band doesn't profitmuch from a record.
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believe music is a vital part of life, you shouldn't be denied that because you don't have enough money.

Their label does, and if they want to be able to continue to make music and put it out, they have to be profitable for their label or they lose their deal.At any rate, no matter what the size of the profit is, that doesn't justify stealing.

Food is a vital part of life you shouldn't be denied because of money. Shelter is a vital part of life you shouldn't be denied because of moeny. Music? No, it is not vital to your life. You will not die without it, and it is not necessary to steal it.

borndead.:

The money is not made from the cds, it is made from the tours. Sure, if you are a multi million selling band, you are going to make some money from it, but the majority of it goes to the label.

Finally, what's the difference between borrowing the cd from your friend to put on itunes and downloading it of limewire. Downloading over the internet is just like borrowing a cd from a friend in another country. (I know not exactly the same, but it's the same kind of thing.)

I know a lot of money is made from other stuff, but while you're 79p on iTunes doesn't seem like much just think how many hundreds of thousands of pounds the music industry is losing out on. It's like ripping someone off if they're only getting some of the money they deserve.

And if you're borrowing a CD off a friend, at least a CD has been purchased so some profit is going to the artist and the company.

Even if most of the money from CDs goes to the label that still pays for all the people who make the music possible. The producers, the managers etc. all need money too. There's all the stuff Kurtni said too.

I personally download all my songs of iTunes of buy the CDs unless it's an unsigned band or that can't be found of iTunes. If it's an unsigned band that don't sell demos then I will download it because they're not making profit out of selling music anyway.
And whenever I do happen to this, I don't use illegal sites, I use those legal file transfer sites, that change the format.

So the people who produce and sell the CDs don't deserve money?
They work too you know.

You can live without music, you can't live without food, clothes and a shelter. Bands do profit from the records, just not as much as they should. But producers, managers, labels, they all need money too. So because I don't grow and package the food that's on the shelves or beer in the fridge, I shouldn't be paid for what I do. Because, that's pretty much what you're saying.

broken hallelujah.:

borndead.:

The money is not made from the cds, it is made from the tours. Sure, if you are a multi million selling band, you are going to make some money from it, but the majority of it goes to the label.

Finally, what's the difference between borrowing the cd from your friend to put on itunes and downloading it of limewire. Downloading over the internet is just like borrowing a cd from a friend in another country. (I know not exactly the same, but it's the same kind of thing.)

I know a lot of money is made from other stuff, but while you're 79p on iTunes doesn't seem like much just think how many hundreds of thousands of pounds the music industry is losing out on. It's like ripping someone off if they're only getting some of the money they deserve.

And if you're borrowing a CD off a friend, at least a CD has been purchased so some profit is going to the artist and the company.

Even if most of the money from CDs goes to the label that still pays for all the people who make the music possible. The producers, the managers etc. all need money too. There's all the stuff Kurtni said too.

I personally download all my songs of iTunes of buy the CDs unless it's an unsigned band or that can't be found of iTunes. If it's an unsigned band that don't sell demos then I will download it because they're not making profit out of selling music anyway.
And whenever I do happen to this, I don't use illegal sites, I use those legal file transfer sites, that change the format.

I see where you're coming from, but I think most bands would preffer people listened to their music illegally than not at all.

You do have a fair point about there being many people behind the label... I just think that record labels have a really unfair proportion of cd profits, the band, producer and studio crew made the record, not the head of Elektra records or whatever.

I just personally feel that as long as you don't make a habit from downloading them and only use it when you really feel the need, it's not acceptable but kind of... okay?

Fentoozler:

So the people who produce and sell the CDs don't deserve money?
They work too you know.

You can live without music, you can't live without food, clothes and a shelter. Bands do profit from the records, just not as much as they should. But producers, managers, labels, they all need money too. So because I don't grow and package the food that's on the shelves or beer in the fridge, I shouldn't be paid for what I do. Because, that's pretty much what you're saying.

I said absolutely nothing about your food or what you deserve to eat. All I'm saying is that I feel it's better a person can listen to the music and therefore support the band in other ways (such as shows, word of mouth, shirts) than not at all.

I'm not saying that people behind the label don't need money, but the music industry is hardly suffering from illegal downloading. People have been getting music illegally for years. Before the internet even existed, people would record the radio, it's something that happens.

Oh and yes, food is vital, music is not. However, I feel that music is a huge part of life and yes, to an extent crucial to a person. That's my view.

borndead.:

Fentoozler:

So the people who produce and sell the CDs don't deserve money?
They work too you know.

You can live without music, you can't live without food, clothes and a shelter. Bands do profit from the records, just not as much as they should. But producers, managers, labels, they all need money too. So because I don't grow and package the food that's on the shelves or beer in the fridge, I shouldn't be paid for what I do. Because, that's pretty much what you're saying.

I said absolutely nothing about your food or what you deserve to eat. All I'm saying is that I feel it's better a person can listen to the music and therefore support the band in other ways (such as shows, word of mouth, shirts) than not at all.

I'm not saying that people behind the label don't need money, but the music industry is hardly suffering from illegal downloading. People have been getting music illegally for years. Before the internet even existed, people would record the radio, it's something that happens.

Oh and yes, food is vital, music is not. However, I feel that music is a huge part of life and yes, to an extent crucial to a person. That's my view.

You know what happens when people don't buy CDs? The label drops them because they aren't selling. I've seen it happen to two of my favourite bands. To two amazing bands, gone because their so-called fans wouldn't buy their CD because they can get it off their friend, they can download it. If lots of people buy a Cd, they go on high-rotation, they get recognized and then they can start racking in the cash, but until then, every song you download from an underground band, costs them.

If music didn't exist, you'd keep on living. If you don't have food, you starve. If you don't have a drink, you dehydrate. If you don't have a shelter, you can freeze or die of heat. If you don't have clothes, you can freeze. You can't die from not having music. Music is nice to have but you don't necessarily need it in order to survive.

Just because the music industry isn't suffering doesn't mean it's okay to steal.

Fentoozler:

borndead.:

I said absolutely nothing about your food or what you deserve to eat. All I'm saying is that I feel it's better a person can listen to the music and therefore support the band in other ways (such as shows, word of mouth, shirts) than not at all.

I'm not saying that people behind the label don't need money, but the music industry is hardly suffering from illegal downloading. People have been getting music illegally for years. Before the internet even existed, people would record the radio, it's something that happens.

Oh and yes, food is vital, music is not. However, I feel that music is a huge part of life and yes, to an extent crucial to a person. That's my view.

You know what happens when people don't buy CDs? The label drops them because they aren't selling. I've seen it happen to two of my favourite bands. To two amazing bands, gone because their so-called fans wouldn't buy their CD because they can get it off their friend, they can download it. If lots of people buy a Cd, they go on high-rotation, they get recognized and then they can start racking in the cash, but until then, every song you download from an underground band, costs them.

If music didn't exist, you'd keep on living. If you don't have food, you starve. If you don't have a drink, you dehydrate. If you don't have a shelter, you can freeze or die of heat. If you don't have clothes, you can freeze. You can't die from not having music. Music is nice to have but you don't necessarily need it in order to survive.

Just because the music industry isn't suffering doesn't mean it's okay to steal.

You have a good point, but I'm always going to accept illegal downloading.

But please, I'm not saying music is vital for existence, I'm saying I think it's a huge part of life.

borndead.:

But please, I'm not saying music is vital for existence

borndead.:

I believe music is a vital part of life

Really? :mrgreen:

Kurtni Reznor:

borndead.:

But please, I'm not saying music is vital for existence

borndead.:

I believe music is a vital part of life

Really? :mrgreen:

Fine then, maybe I did.
:hand:

I think illegal song dowloading is totally unfair, just like you know, in DVD's. But I'm pro in this. :tehe: Because, I don't think it's, worthy to pay for music, except for c.d's. iTunes? I don't have enough money for it. It's too... pricey.

guiltfeeder:

I think illegal song dowloading is totally unfair, just like you know, in DVD's. But I'm pro in this. :tehe: Because, I don't think it's, worthy to pay for music, except for c.d's. iTunes? I don't have enough money for it. It's too... pricey.

I don't have enough money for many things I want, but does that make it ok for me to steal? No, of course not.

Kurtni Reznor:

guiltfeeder:

I think illegal song dowloading is totally unfair, just like you know, in DVD's. But I'm pro in this. :tehe: Because, I don't think it's, worthy to pay for music, except for c.d's. iTunes? I don't have enough money for it. It's too... pricey.

I don't have enough money for many things I want, but does that make it ok for me to steal? No, of course not.

Good point. :mrgreen: But I still don't find it worthy for me to blow my money on it.

guiltfeeder:

Kurtni Reznor:

guiltfeeder:

I think illegal song dowloading is totally unfair, just like you know, in DVD's. But I'm pro in this. :tehe: Because, I don't think it's, worthy to pay for music, except for c.d's. iTunes? I don't have enough money for it. It's too... pricey.

I don't have enough money for many things I want, but does that make it ok for me to steal? No, of course not.

Good point. :mrgreen: But I still don't find it worthy for me to blow my money on it.

So don't buy it if it isn't worth your money? :shifty Honestly, what you consider "worthy" doesn't matter, they have the right to sell whatever they want and anyone who steals, including illegal downloading, deserves to be prosecuted for the crime they are committing.

What about things like Limewire, though? It's considered perfectly acceptable to burrow a purchased CD from a friend and put it onto your Itunes, right? Well, Limewire is file-sharing, it's basically the same thing, putting music someone else has bought into your itunes - So how is that any different to just burrowing a CD from a friend? It isn't, not really.

I download illegaly, I admit. For two reasons: One is that a lot of bands I listen to don't have CD's out in this country, and two, I can't afford it.

I know people have said this and it's been said that it dosen't give them a right to steal, but someone who can't afford to buy the CD downloading it illegaly isn't going to make a difference to record sales - Because if illegal downloading wasn't available, that dosen't change the fact that the person in question can't afford the CD. Surely a band would rather someone listen to their music illegaly then not here it at all?

If someone can't afford it, they can't afford it, and getting rid of illegal download isn't going to make them go out and buy the record, it's just going to stop them from hearing it at all.

Wake The Sun.:

It's considered perfectly acceptable to burrow a purchased CD from a friend and put it onto your Itunes, right?

No.

Wake The Sun.:

If someone can't afford it, they can't afford it, and getting rid of illegal download isn't going to make them go out and buy the record, it's just going to stop them from hearing it at all.

Your point? Yeah, it sucks they don't get the music you want, but if you can't pay for it and get it legally you have no right to it. Listen to the radio or something, but don't steal. And honestly, a lot of people who download illegally can afford the 99 cents on iTunes to download a song, they just choose not to or spend their money on other things.

I'd rather buy an album from listening to one song on the radio than just illegally downloading a song (if it's a new band I would want more than one song, but I am rather patient when it comes to that).
I accept that the majority of the money isn't going to go to the band; but it keep them doing what they love, it keeps them on a record label and it keeps me rather happy to know that I will still hear their music.
I never buy an album if I can afford it, I'll usually wait for HMV or zavvi to have a sale of some kind and see if it's on sale then. No skin off my nose, considering the amount o albums that I have all have brilliant songs that I will listen to again and again, rather than have a few songs that are downloaded illegally.

Blue Demon:

I'd rather buy an album from listening to one song on the radio than just illegally downloading a song (if it's a new band I would want more than one song, but I am rather patient when it comes to that).
I accept that the majority of the money isn't going to go to the band; but it keep them doing what they love, it keeps them on a record label and it keeps me rather happy to know that I will still hear their music.
I never buy an album if I can afford it, I'll usually wait for HMV or zavvi to have a sale of some kind and see if it's on sale then. No skin off my nose, considering the amount o albums that I have all have brilliant songs that I will listen to again and again, rather than have a few songs that are downloaded illegally.

That's the same as me. I'm cheap. So I'll wait until the album I want is on sale. Then buy it.

I'm still waiting for the Kaiser Chiefs latest album to go on sale. Until it does, I'm going without.

Kurtni Reznor:

guiltfeeder:

Kurtni Reznor:

I don't have enough money for many things I want, but does that make it ok for me to steal? No, of course not.

Good point. :mrgreen: But I still don't find it worthy for me to blow my money on it.

So don't buy it if it isn't worth your money? :shifty Honestly, what you consider "worthy" doesn't matter, they have the right to sell whatever they want and anyone who steals, including illegal downloading, deserves to be prosecuted for the crime they are committing.

I download music in LimeWire. I seriously think it's not stealing because, it's the people's will to put their songs there. They paid for the music they put there. And for those who download music there like me, it's not my problem anymore because I think and like I said, they want to put their music there. Besides, it's not like I forced them to put it there so that I can download it. :file:

guiltfeeder:

I download music in LimeWire. I seriously think it's not stealing because, it's the people's will to put their songs there. They paid for the music they put there. And for those who download music there like me, it's not my problem anymore because I think and like I said, they want to put their music there. Besides, it's not like I forced them to put it there so that I can download it. :file:

It is your problem, and if you were caught and punished you would see that. :mrgreen:

First off, you have no way of knowing if the music on lime wire was paid for, don't assume that. Secondly, think about what you're saying. You're saying its ok to take someone elses merchandies, and distribute it without their permission, that isn't ok.