Religion and Homosexuality

I'm a wiccan, and i guess u can say i'm bi cuz i have a crush on a girl and we're most likely going to go out so to me if a higher power made us and loves us for who we are then they should love us for what we are. they gave us a free will and we choose a life of loving someone no matter the sex. I just want to know why people care about homos when most of the time it doesn't involve them. Why be so cruel to people just like you, just in love with someone different.

^ Having a crush on a girl doesn't make you bi.

Dancing Caveman:

druscilla runaway.:

Why not have a marriage then?
Marriage isn't strictly religious.
I don't understand why we need to create civil unions and marriages.
Everyone is equal and everyone should have equal rights.
I don't want to get civilly unionized.
I want to get married.

*facepalm* That's what I'm trying to say! I was just using marriage and civil unions to differentiate between the religious ceremony and the non-religious ceremony.

I'm just saying that in the States you can have a non-religious ceremony.

^Yes. I'm very much aware of that.

Personally, I don't support gay marriage. I also wouldn't be one to protest it. I guess you could say I'm on the fence with it.

While I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it outside a church, I wouldn't agree to one being performed inside a Christian church - or by a preacher.

If the church I attend was to perform one (though I know they wouldn't), I would simply stop going there. I just don't think that it's what God intended, so I don't think it should be done in His name.

But, other than that, whatever.

druscilla runaway.:

VampShadsOwns:

as to the comment above by someone about allowing Gay marriages in Churches...it's all very well saying it...but I don't think that will ever happen, because The Bible clearly states that marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. End of.

It's already happened in some churches.
The Bible also clearly states that we are not to sit in judgment upon others since we are not free of sin.
It also states that I can sell my daughter into slavery and be stoned for working on a Sunday.
Edit: Sorry. I can't sell my daughter into slavery. My husband can. I can't because I'm a woman and I'm meant to be nothing more than a child-bearing prize.

I'm not judging anyone. One of my best friends is gay. I'd be perfectly happy him getting 'married' to his partner...jus not in a Church. Call me a hypocrite...but that's just my personal view By the way, my friend knows that I don't believe gay people should marry in a Church and he accepts that. There's no animosity in that regard.

I live in Australia...so gay marriages aren't allowed anyway, I don't think. At least not in Perth.

I'm Christian but I don't take everything in the Bible literally. And, I don't believe Jesus said that men could sell the daughters into slavery...that was in the Old Testament. The thing against homosexuals is mentioned in the New Testament. [as well as the Old].

It comes down to the fact that biologically humans are animals and homosexuality is not biologically natural [even though I KNOW that sometimes men are biologically wired to be gay, but if we were animals gay men would die out because you can't procreate in nature as gay...you can't have male elephants trying to mate with other male elephants]

VampShadsOwns:

It comes down to the fact that biologically humans are animals and homosexuality is not biologically natural [even though I KNOW that sometimes men are biologically wired to be gay, but if we were animals gay men would die out because you can't procreate in nature as gay...you can't have male elephants trying to mate with other male elephants]

Then how come homosexuality occurs in other animals and not just humans? If it's not biologically natural? This isn't some human perversion. This happens in animals as well.

Give me a reference

Careless Whisper.:

Personally, I don't support gay marriage. I also wouldn't be one to protest it. I guess you could say I'm on the fence with it.

While I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it outside a church, I wouldn't agree to one being performed inside a Christian church - or by a preacher.

If the church I attend was to perform one (though I know they wouldn't), I would simply stop going there. I just don't think that it's what God intended, so I don't think it should be done in His name.

But, other than that, whatever.

But what about religious gay people? What if you're gay and Christian and want to get married in a Christian church in a Christian ceremony? Should you be denied that just because you're not heterosexual?

It's up to the church as to whether they will marry a couple or not, but if they're a Christian gay couple, how would you feel?

acid bath:

Careless Whisper.:

Personally, I don't support gay marriage. I also wouldn't be one to protest it. I guess you could say I'm on the fence with it.

While I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it outside a church, I wouldn't agree to one being performed inside a Christian church - or by a preacher.

If the church I attend was to perform one (though I know they wouldn't), I would simply stop going there. I just don't think that it's what God intended, so I don't think it should be done in His name.

But, other than that, whatever.

But what about religious gay people? What if you're gay and Christian and want to get married in a Christian church in a Christian ceremony? Should you be denied that just because you're not heterosexual?

It's up to the church as to whether they will marry a couple or not, but if they're a Christian gay couple, how would you feel?

I still wouldn't support it. I believe it is a sin. Regardless of whether or not the couple was Christian, I still wouldn't think it was right. Being a Christian doesn't exempt you from your wrong doings.

^That's a bit harsh. Homosexuality is not a sin. Particularly if they cannot change it.

^ I disagree.

VampShadsOwns:

Give me a reference

Article #1.

Article #2.

Article #3.

Article #4.

Article #5.

Article #6.

Article #7.

Careless Whisper.:

I still wouldn't support it. I believe it is a sin. Regardless of whether or not the couple was Christian, I still wouldn't think it was right. Being a Christian doesn't exempt you from your wrong doings.

Well, if you believe homosexuality is a sin and being a Christian doesn't exempt you from your wrong-doings thus you don't support homosexuals getting married, do you condone sinners getting married? Jesus said let he who is without sin first cast a stone. Who are you to cast a stone at anyone regardless of whether or not you believe homosexual is a sin?

druscilla runaway.:

Well, if you believe homosexuality is a sin and being a Christian doesn't exempt you from your wrong-doings thus you don't support homosexuals getting married, do you condone sinners getting married? Jesus said let he who is without sin first cast a stone. Who are you to cast a stone at anyone regardless of whether or not you believe homosexual is a sin?

Yes, I condone it, because no one is perfect. We're all sinners, but the act of marriage between a man and a woman in God's name isn't a sin. Just because I'm a sinner doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to marry a man when that isn't the sin. The SIN is what God is against, not the sinner.

druscilla runaway.:

VampShadsOwns:

Give me a reference

Article #1.

Article #2.

Article #3.

Article #4.

Article #5.

Article #6.

Article #7.

Those are interesting. However, there are so many other things happening there. read this article as well.

Article

Also, I personally am not against homosexuals. I never have been,

Careless Whisper.:

^ I disagree.

And what makes attraction between a man and a woman not sinful?

The fact that a man and a woman can produce babies together.
I personally think that to measure how true the feelings between to two people are to their ability to procreate is a disgusting out-dated way of thinking.

^They're two separate issues kafka.

I'm not saying that measuring true feelings of people should be based solely upon their ability to procreate. That is one important thing, because God made man and woman to procreate with each other.

And even in the animal world, you must have a male or female gamete [sex celss] [the majority of the time unless you're a bacterium] to procreate. Sure, after the fact as posted in those articles above by drusilla, male and male may raise the offspring or female and female. But, male and female had to come together first.

However, I KNOW that homosexuality can be biological. It is neither right nor wrong. Nor do I believe it's sinful. But, it is not what God intended. Therefore it is a sin in his eyes. However, he's not going to stroke homosexual's down and send them to Hell. That belief is arcane. God is all about love and forgiveness.

What does God think about intersex people?

what is intersex?