Gay Couples Adopting

The Brightside.:

Would you prefer a heterosexual couple give a child an abusive and unpleasant childhood, or a homosexual couple a loving, caring home?

I don't think your comparison makes sense because the two things aren't similar enough. Of course, everyone prefers children to go to a non-abusive home, regardless of any factor, it isn't even worth arguing. If you were to ask the real comparison, would you prefer a child to go to an abusive homosexual home or an abusive heterosexual home, then the answer is clear. Nobody supports abuse.

Anyway, the real issue is gay adoption. Which I approve of. Adoption is hard enough in the UK for anyone, so if any gay couples can get past the ridiculous red tape, then good luck to them.

My brother has two biological daughters from a previous relatioship with a woman.
They were conceived before he came out.
And he's looking to adopt some children soon.
I personally don't see anything wrong with that at all, but unfortunately others do.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, after all, my brother can provide a stable home, and a great upbringing.
But like someone else pointed out, adoption is a hard process, and I doubt he'll be bringing home any children anytime soon.

Bloodraine:

The Brightside.:

Would you prefer a heterosexual couple give a child an abusive and unpleasant childhood, or a homosexual couple a loving, caring home?

I don't think your comparison makes sense because the two things aren't similar enough. Of course, everyone prefers children to go to a non-abusive home, regardless of any factor, it isn't even worth arguing.

She wasn't making a comparison. She was merely pointing out that you can send a child to an abusive heterosexual home, but it would be better for the child to go to a non abusive homosexual home, since there is no abuse, but because Gay adoption is illegal in most places, they can't be sent to those homes.

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If you were to ask the real comparison, would you prefer a child to go to an abusive homosexual home or an abusive heterosexual home, then the answer is clear. Nobody supports abuse.

I see no clear answer. :shifty

The typical Catholic religion is so narrow minded. It makes me sick

ChemicallyImbalanced:

She wasn't making a comparison. She was merely pointing out that you can send a child to an abusive heterosexual home, but it would be better for the child to go to a non abusive homosexual home, since there is no abuse, but because Gay adoption is illegal in most places, they can't be sent to those homes.

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If you were to ask the real comparison, would you prefer a child to go to an abusive homosexual home or an abusive heterosexual home, then the answer is clear. Nobody supports abuse.

I see no clear answer. :shifty

I saw it as a comparison, because two options were outlined with a view to picking between them. Maybe I should have said that it isn't a fair choice, because the two things are totally unequal. There's really no contest between a home without abuse, or a home with abuse, regardless of any other factors.

The clear answer, from my perspective, is neither.

Bloodraine:

ChemicallyImbalanced:

She wasn't making a comparison. She was merely pointing out that you can send a child to an abusive heterosexual home, but it would be better for the child to go to a non abusive homosexual home, since there is no abuse, but because Gay adoption is illegal in most places, they can't be sent to those homes.

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If you were to ask the real comparison, would you prefer a child to go to an abusive homosexual home or an abusive heterosexual home, then the answer is clear. Nobody supports abuse.

I see no clear answer. :shifty

I saw it as a comparison, because two options were outlined with a view to picking between them. Maybe I should have said that it isn't a fair choice, because the two things are totally unequal. There's really no contest between a home without abuse, or a home with abuse, regardless of any other factors.

The clear answer, from my perspective, is neither.

The thing is though, that there isn't any competition as you said. Children who are being adopted want to go to a safe home and environment, which many gay people can offer, but aren't being given the chance to.

Bloodraine:

I don't think your comparison makes sense because the two things aren't similar enough. Of course, everyone prefers children to go to a non-abusive home, regardless of any factor, it isn't even worth arguing. If you were to ask the real comparison, would you prefer a child to go to an abusive homosexual home or an abusive heterosexual home, then the answer is clear. Nobody supports abuse.

Anyway, the real issue is gay adoption. Which I approve of. Adoption is hard enough in the UK for anyone, so if any gay couples can get past the ridiculous red tape, then good luck to them.

I know, and of course nobody in their right mind would choose an abusive home. It was a bit of an exaggeration, not much of a fair choice, and I didn't mean to make such a comparison.

However, I do know that a lot of people would prefer children to go into foster care than to have a gay couple, who will give them a loving and caring home, adopt. And there are homeless children with no foster homes to go to, and yet people still refuse to let a gay couple give them a home. It just seems so illogical to me.

Yeah, I completely agree ^
It is very illogical in my opinion.
Then again, you have to consider the children.
Lets face it, there are a lot of children who would prefer not to go to a gay couple.
And when I say children I mean more 12-13 yearolds, or older.
But in saying that, I still think gay adoption should be legal in all countries, as I think gay couples are perfectly capable to providing a loving, stable home for a child.

Disturbia:

Yeah, I completely agree ^
It is very illogical in my opinion.
Then again, you have to consider the children.
Lets face it, there are a lot of children who would prefer not to go to a gay couple.
And when I say children I mean more 12-13 yearolds, or older.
But in saying that, I still think gay adoption should be legal in all countries, as I think gay couples are perfectly capable to providing a loving, stable home for a child.

I don't think that anyone -adolescents and pre-teens included- would still be homophobic after living for a few weeks with a loving caring gay couple.

But the idea of it would put a lot of kids off, therefore they wouldn't agree to go.

Disturbia:

But the idea of it would put a lot of kids off, therefore they wouldn't agree to go.

Yes, but most adoptions occur when the child has less than 10 years anyway.
According to the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System estimates for 1999 -I couldn't find more recent statistics, but they are purely for orientation- of all the children adopted that year
46% were 1-5 years old, 37% were 6-10 years old, 14% were 11-15 years old, 2% were 16-18 years old and 2% were under a year old when adopted from the public welfare system.

Couldn't one lie though, and say that they aren't in a relationship or something, so that they could adopt a child?
And then suddenly, they come out, and they're in a realtionship?
Or would that be breaking the law?
This is all so, so confusing

^I'm not sure if that's against the law or anything, but I believe they monitor your life for a little while to see if there are any instabilities or abusive people.
And they prefer to adopt children out to couples who can support the child.

The way I look at gay adoption is, if a african-american couple were to go into an adoption agency but were told they weren't allowed to adopt a child with the only reason given to them being their race, there would be a massive outcry. The adoption agency would be called racist and the media would possibly even get involved.
So why should homosexuals be denied having a child just because of their sexuality? Why isn't there a big such a big outcry for them? The only thing that makes them any different from any other couple is who they prefer to sleep with. They're just as capable of loving and caring for a child just as much as any other couple.

Saying gay couples can't adopt children is like saying a black family can't get food from a local grocery store. It all adds up to an equal amount of disgrace.

I've heard it is quite hard to adopt a child, so it must be extremely hard for a child to be adopted. If it at least gets adopted, that's wonderful. I'm also not prejudice against non-straight people. :)

druscilla; wonder.:

It's also kind of insane to think that just because child is raised by two parents of the same gender they will never have any contact with adults of the gender opposite their parents. There's nothing to say they wouldn't have an adult female role model if they're a girl or an adult male role model if they are a boy.

Precisely. Personally I don't beliveve in the need for a 'male/ female role model' but it can always come in the form of family friends, grandparents, aunts and uncles, even cousins or older siblings.

Disturbia:

My brother has two biological daughters from a previous relatioship with a woman.
They were conceived before he came out.
And he's looking to adopt some children soon.
I personally don't see anything wrong with that at all, but unfortunately others do.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, after all, my brother can provide a stable home, and a great upbringing.
But like someone else pointed out, adoption is a hard process, and I doubt he'll be bringing home any children anytime soon.

That's interesting. So, if the children are biologically his own, people are happy for him to raise them, but if he wants to adopt some more, there's something wrong with that? This world is messed up, seriously.

I know a lot of people have strong views against gays being aloud to get married or adopt children, and it is part of their religion. Honestly that is fine with me, I respect all religions.

But I also know there are other religions where it is sinful to drink alcohol. So just because one religion says it is against the law to drink alcohol should we ban it for everybody? NO! What is right for you is not necessarily what is right for everybody else.

The gender of two parents has nothing to with how much love or care they are capable of giving to a child.

And as far as needing a male and female role model. Um, give me a break! How many single parents do we have out there that do just fine. Nobody seems to care about those parents as long as they're going to church every Sunday.

The adoption agency should look at the overall circumstances of the parents who want to adopt, and try to give the children the best possible home they can. Regardless of the couples genders!