Racism

Bloodraine:

Why is Cracker an insult?

I actually don't know, I'm white and I don't find it insulting at all.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Bloodraine:

Why is Cracker an insult?

I actually don't know, I'm white and I don't find it insulting at all.

Me neither. Maybe I should start taking offense xD

Bloodraine:

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Bloodraine:

Why is Cracker an insult?

I actually don't know, I'm white and I don't find it insulting at all.

Me neither. Maybe I should start taking offense xD

lol, sounds like a great idea. Poeple call me cracker and I laugh because I always think of the saltine crackers... they're good...

Sardonic Grin:

i dont believe i was making a generalization. thus why i said, or, meant to say, was every black person who SAIDS nigger in a different connotation. I don't believe I was "deciding for people" what should they take as offensive or not. I was just saying that she is judging a song based on one word, without looking at the entire meaning of it. Thus, one could say, that every black person who saids that word could be considered racist because it is to the majority a racist word.

That's what I said.
Different people will take it different ways. One might think it's racist, another might not. You should've said "in my opinion" because you made it look like you were saying that everyone thinks it's NOT racist, which clearly isn't so.

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And there you go:

Tas; Chemical Love.:

For the last time... I did read the song and anazlyze it. And you know what? I still find it completely and utterly ridiculious and racist.

She thinks it's racist.

In the end, it all comes down to who looks at it and what their opinions are.

For the last time... I did read the song and anazlyze it. And you know what? I still find it completely and utterly ridiculious and racist.

Bloodraine:

Why is Cracker an insult?

(As a supplementary point: God forbid any of you ever read To Kill a Mockingbird. I mean, its such a racist book, it'd upset you all so much.)

Well, where I come from. People sling it around as an insult to "crackheads."

It then became a derogatory term as the white person's version of "nigger."

Payback or whatnot, two wrongs don't make a right. At least, that's how I look at it. Life's too short to waste on judging people by what colour skin they have or where they come from.

Tas; Chemical Love.:

"Cracker" is an insult towards whites because back in the slave days the white people who whipped the blacks "cracked" the whip. These were known as the mean whites. Eventually "cracker" became a deroggatory term towards mean whites and later turned into a term to describe all whites because they're all mean racists.

Of course, that's not the case for all whites but you get the point.

Really? I didn't know that. Like I said above, people 'round here used it as an insult to crackheads.

Tas; Chemical Love.:

For the last time... I did read the song and anazlyze it. And you know what? I still find it completely and utterly ridiculious and racist.

Out of interest can I ask what your race is?

SuperTrendy:

Tas; Chemical Love.:

For the last time... I did read the song and anazlyze it. And you know what? I still find it completely and utterly ridiculious and racist.

Out of interest can I ask what your race is?

She's African American

Okay concerning this whole song playing a role into this debate, i'll point out what i've always believed and then i'll leave it to you guys to either flame me or praise me and you can happily do so without worry about rebuttel because I have my own forum to run.

righty-o
I truly believe when it comes to racist, homophobic and discriminatory terms a person who is not apart of the group who the derogatory terms are implying can not understand how hurtful they can be. Because not being apart of that group allows us to have an outside view of the whole situation, where as in this case someone who is black is so much more part of the history of where that came from, we learn about it they are apart of the generation that has to prove the discriminitory bigits wrong. And that can apply to any social minority that has been pressured in the past and present.

Saying that it's all down to point of view, for me that song is about proving how unrealistic typecasting is, however I can also understand how others can take it the wrong way and we shouldn't fight over that because it's like this. If we all stood side by side in front of a red wall we can all come up with dozens and dozens of differing opinions on what it represents, but in the end it's only a red wall. What i'm trying to say is we've come to a point where we have learn't about equality and different cultures but we are still ALLOWING words to hurt us.

Nigger only hurts if you let it. so why not look at the wall from a different angle. To those also trying to force their point that the song is not racist, why not do the same thing and look from the angle they can see.

Have a nice day folks.

SuperTrendy:

Okay concerning this whole song playing a role into this debate, i'll point what i've always believed and then i'll leave it to you guys to either flame me or praise me and you can happily do so without worry about rebuttel because I have my own forum to run.

righty-o
I truly believe when it comes to racist, homophobic and discriminatory terms a person who is not apart of the group who the derogatory terms are implying can not understand how hurtful they can be. Because not being apart of that group allows us to have an outside view of the whole situation, where as in this case someone who is black is so much more part of the history of where that came from, we learn about it they are apart of the generation that has to prove the discriminitory bigits wrong. And that can apply to any social minority that has been pressured in the past and present.

Saying that it's all down to point of view to me that song is about proving how unrealistic typecasting is, however I can also understand how others can take it the wrong way and we shouldn't fight over that because it's like this. If we all stood side by side in front of a red wall we can all come up with dozens and dozens of differing opinions on what it represents, but in the end it's only a red wall. What i'm trying to say is we've come to a point where we have learn't about equality and different cultures but we are still ALLOWING words to hurt us.

Nigger only hurts if you let it. so why not look at the wall from a different angle. To those also trying to force their point that the song is not racist, why not do the same thing and look from the angle they can see.

Have a nice day folks.

Actually, I believe everypne is involved with racism, homophobia, and discrimination. Whatever race you are, there is some crude name out there for you. I hate to be blunt, but it's true. I'm white and I'm Jewish, don't think that I haven't heard all the names. Anyone who is a human and doesn't live under a rock knows that we are all apart of the descrimination. Hispanics, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Arabs, you name it, they have descrimination against them. We're all a part of it.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Actually, I believe everypne is involved with racism, homophobia, and discrimination. Whatever race you are, there is some crude name out there for you. I hate to be blunt, but it's true. I'm white and I'm Jewish, don't think that I haven't heard all the names. Anyone who is a human and doesn't live under a rock knows that we are all apart of the descrimination. Hispanics, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Arabs, you name it, they have descrimination against them. We're all a part of it.

But I've never been discriminated against.

For anything.

Ever.

"He had announced it in the school-yard the day before that Scout Finch's daddy defended niggers"-page 82
"Do you defend niggers, Atticus?"-page 83
"Don't say nigger, Scout. That's common"-page 83
"Then why did Cecil say you defended niggers?"-page 83
"I guess it ain't your fault if Uncle Atticus is a nigger-lover"-page 92
"Now he's turned out a nigger-lover, we'll never be able to walk the streets of Maycomb again"-page 92
"He's nothing but a nigger lover!"-page 92
"A nigger-lover. I aint very sure what it means"-page 95
"Not only a Finch waiting on tables but one in the court-house lawing for niggers!"-page 112
"What exactly is a nigger-lover?"-page 120
"Scout," said Atticus, "Nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don't mean anything."-page 120
"You aren't really a nigger-lover then, are you?"-page 120
"I wants to know why you bringin' white chillun to nigger church [sic]"-page 131
"Stop right there, nigger"-page 131
"No stranger would ever suspect that it was full of niggers"-page 166
"-I seen that black nigger yonder ruttin' in my Mayella!"- page 190
"then ran the nigger off, then ran for the sheriff"-page 196
"Come here, nigger, and bust up this chiffarobe"-page 199
"She might as well kiss a nigger"- page 214
"She says: 'kiss me back, nigger.'"-page 214
"Mr Finch, if you was a nigger like me, you'd be scared too."-page 215
"What'd the nigger look like when you got through with him?"-page 216

Make of it what you will. Despite my dedication as an English Literature student, I stopped taking notes after page 222. :coffee:

Calling Patti Smith, Marilyn Manson and just the song Rock N Roll Nigger racist is just silly.
There are far more worse songs out there than this song. They weren't, or atleast I'm pretty sure, intending it to be racist.

Bloodraine:

"He had announced it in the school-yard the day before that Scout Finch's daddy defended niggers"-page 82
"Do you defend niggers, Atticus?"-page 83
"Don't say nigger, Scout. That's common"-page 83
"Then why did Cecil say you defended niggers?"-page 83
"I guess it ain't your fault if Uncle Atticus is a nigger-lover"-page 92
"Now he's turned out a nigger-lover, we'll never be able to walk the streets of Maycomb again"-page 92
"He's nothing but a nigger lover!"-page 92
"A nigger-lover. I aint very sure what it means"-page 95
"Not only a Finch waiting on tables but one in the court-house lawing for niggers!"-page 112
"What exactly is a nigger-lover?"-page 120
"Scout," said Atticus, "Nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don't mean anything."-page 120
"You aren't really a nigger-lover then, are you?"-page 120
"I wants to know why you bringin' white chillun to nigger church [sic]"-page 131
"Stop right there, nigger"-page 131
"No stranger would ever suspect that it was full of niggers"-page 166
"-I seen that black nigger yonder ruttin' in my Mayella!"- page 190
"then ran the nigger off, then ran for the sheriff"-page 196
"Come here, nigger, and bust up this chiffarobe"-page 199
"She might as well kiss a nigger"- page 214
"She says: 'kiss me back, nigger.'"-page 214
"Mr Finch, if you was a nigger like me, you'd be scared too."-page 215
"What'd the nigger look like when you got through with him?"-page 216

Make of it what you will. Despite my dedication as an English Literature student, I stopped taking notes after page 222. :coffee:

That's seriously fucked up, is that To Kill A Mocking Bird?

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

That's seriously fucked up, is that To Kill A Mocking Bird?

Have you read that book? That book is far from fucked up it's message is amazing.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Bloodraine:

"He had announced it in the school-yard the day before that Scout Finch's daddy defended niggers"-page 82
"Do you defend niggers, Atticus?"-page 83
"Don't say nigger, Scout. That's common"-page 83
"Then why did Cecil say you defended niggers?"-page 83
"I guess it ain't your fault if Uncle Atticus is a nigger-lover"-page 92
"Now he's turned out a nigger-lover, we'll never be able to walk the streets of Maycomb again"-page 92
"He's nothing but a nigger lover!"-page 92
"A nigger-lover. I aint very sure what it means"-page 95
"Not only a Finch waiting on tables but one in the court-house lawing for niggers!"-page 112
"What exactly is a nigger-lover?"-page 120
"Scout," said Atticus, "Nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don't mean anything."-page 120
"You aren't really a nigger-lover then, are you?"-page 120
"I wants to know why you bringin' white chillun to nigger church [sic]"-page 131
"Stop right there, nigger"-page 131
"No stranger would ever suspect that it was full of niggers"-page 166
"-I seen that black nigger yonder ruttin' in my Mayella!"- page 190
"then ran the nigger off, then ran for the sheriff"-page 196
"Come here, nigger, and bust up this chiffarobe"-page 199
"She might as well kiss a nigger"- page 214
"She says: 'kiss me back, nigger.'"-page 214
"Mr Finch, if you was a nigger like me, you'd be scared too."-page 215
"What'd the nigger look like when you got through with him?"-page 216

Make of it what you will. Despite my dedication as an English Literature student, I stopped taking notes after page 222. :coffee:

That's seriously fucked up, is that To Kill A Mocking Bird?

Yup.
Why'd you think its fucked up?

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Bloodraine:

"He had announced it in the school-yard the day before that Scout Finch's daddy defended niggers"-page 82
"Do you defend niggers, Atticus?"-page 83
"Don't say nigger, Scout. That's common"-page 83
"Then why did Cecil say you defended niggers?"-page 83
"I guess it ain't your fault if Uncle Atticus is a nigger-lover"-page 92
"Now he's turned out a nigger-lover, we'll never be able to walk the streets of Maycomb again"-page 92
"He's nothing but a nigger lover!"-page 92
"A nigger-lover. I aint very sure what it means"-page 95
"Not only a Finch waiting on tables but one in the court-house lawing for niggers!"-page 112
"What exactly is a nigger-lover?"-page 120
"Scout," said Atticus, "Nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don't mean anything."-page 120
"You aren't really a nigger-lover then, are you?"-page 120
"I wants to know why you bringin' white chillun to nigger church [sic]"-page 131
"Stop right there, nigger"-page 131
"No stranger would ever suspect that it was full of niggers"-page 166
"-I seen that black nigger yonder ruttin' in my Mayella!"- page 190
"then ran the nigger off, then ran for the sheriff"-page 196
"Come here, nigger, and bust up this chiffarobe"-page 199
"She might as well kiss a nigger"- page 214
"She says: 'kiss me back, nigger.'"-page 214
"Mr Finch, if you was a nigger like me, you'd be scared too."-page 215
"What'd the nigger look like when you got through with him?"-page 216

Make of it what you will. Despite my dedication as an English Literature student, I stopped taking notes after page 222. :coffee:

That's seriously fucked up, is that To Kill A Mocking Bird?

in what context is it fucked up?
have you read the book?

I'm about to read the book, I'm reading the quotes. That book might be an amazing piece of Literature but some of what is in that book is really 'fucked up'.