Racism

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

It took me 40 minutes of trawling through that book to find quotes with the N-word, typing them up and page referencing them. The result?

I think I just proved how people see 'Nigger' and jump to certain conclusions.

p.s rape. He was accused of rape.

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

That's your opinion, isn't it?

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

That's your opinion, isn't it?

No, that is a fact. Please don't sit there and tell me you think Harper Lee is racist because she used nigger.

And Bloodraine: I know, I figurred that was your point.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

I'm about to read the book, I'm reading the quotes. That book might be an amazing piece of Literature but some of what is in that book is really 'fucked up'.

Well it's not because this is exactly what people have to come to understood about allowing words to hurt you because if there is anything you will ever learn in your life about art, music, literature hell about life in general it is that Words will never hurt you. What can be humiliating, terrifying or hurtful is the Context in which they are put.

Now meg has very kindly taken most of the quotes that may raise alarm out from the book. but she didn't include the context in which they came or fundamental facts such as the author Harper Lee came from the deep south and was making a social representation of the time to bring to light the racism.?

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

That's your opinion, isn't it?

Well, obviously, she said it....

How can you have an opinion on the book anyways, you havent even read it! And you're already judging it. You have no problem arguing about how it's wrong to judge by race, and I agree. But you don't hesitate to judge a book based on one word. You don't even know the context of those sentences!

Sardonic Grin:

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

That's your opinion, isn't it?

No, that is a fact. Please don't sit there and tell me you think Harper Lee is racist because she used nigger.

And Bloodraine: I know, I figurred that was your point.

First off, I don't know why you're attacking me because my views on To Kill A Mocking Bird are different from yours. Chill out. The book is good, it sends a powerful message but some of the quotes in it are really rough and that's how i feel. I'm not calling anyone out and that's my opinion.

Kurtni:

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

Sardonic Grin:

It isn't fucked up. It is literature. Famous literature. The word was used to invoke emotion, to really show the racism that was in the south. Identify with it. Thus adding drama to Atticus Finch's relentless struggle to defend a black man who was falsly accused of murder. Is Harper Lee racist? No. Is that book promoting racism? Not in the least bit. Replace " nigger" with "black"- it wouldn't have the same impact, thus the trus message of acceptance wouldn't have been seen. You can't judge something- a book, a song- because of one little word.

That's your opinion, isn't it?

Well, obviously, she said it....

How can you have an opinion on the book anyways, you havent even read it! And you're already judging it. You have no problem arguing about how it's wrong to judge by race, and I agree. But you don't hesitate to judge a book based on one word. You don't even know the context of those sentences!

We've had to skip through chapters in English to find certain quotes of racism before we start reading. That's how I know.

I wasn't attacking you. You are just assuming I am. And yes, they are rough, they are meant to be. That's how history was during that time. Like someone said, you can't censor history.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

First off, I don't know why you're attacking me because my views on To Kill A Mocking Bird are different from yours. Chill out. The book is good, it sends a powerful message but some of the quotes in it are really rough and that's how i feel. I'm not calling anyone out and that's my opinion.

No one is attacking you, we have just as much of a right to express our opinions as you do yours. I find it hard to take your opinions serious when you're judging a book you havent even read, but to be fair, can you please tell me why it is you feel they are "rough"?

Sardonic Grin:

I wasn't attacking you. You are just assuming I am. And yes, they are rough, they are meant to be. That's how history was during that time. Like someone said, you can't censor history.

And that's fine but I'm getting ganged up on for my opinion on the book. I like what i have read so far it's just that some of it is rough. That's all I'm trying to say yet.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

We've had to skip through chapters in English to find certain quotes of racism before we start reading. That's how I know.

There is a gigantic difference between reading, comprehending and understanding the message behind a book and just flipping through pages looking for quotes.

^Exactly. You have to read the whole story to get the message of it, not just look at quotes.

And no one is ganging up on you- this is a debate.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

And that's fine but I'm getting ganged up on for my opinion on the book. I like what i have read so far it's just that some of it is rough. That's all I'm trying to say yet.

Do you think Harper Lee is wrong for writting the book that way?

I think it's rough because it's a piece of literature that doesn't hold back, like most books. It makes it feel real because there was no holding back, that's what they said back then and it's just different.

Kurtni:

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

And that's fine but I'm getting ganged up on for my opinion on the book. I like what i have read so far it's just that some of it is rough. That's all I'm trying to say yet.

Do you think Harper Lee is wrong for writting the book that way?

No, not at all, it doesn't hold back. the reality of it is amazing.

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

SuperTrendy:

Okay concerning this whole song playing a role into this debate, i'll point what i've always believed and then i'll leave it to you guys to either flame me or praise me and you can happily do so without worry about rebuttel because I have my own forum to run.

righty-o
I truly believe when it comes to racist, homophobic and discriminatory terms a person who is not apart of the group who the derogatory terms are implying can not understand how hurtful they can be. Because not being apart of that group allows us to have an outside view of the whole situation, where as in this case someone who is black is so much more part of the history of where that came from, we learn about it they are apart of the generation that has to prove the discriminitory bigits wrong. And that can apply to any social minority that has been pressured in the past and present.

Saying that it's all down to point of view to me that song is about proving how unrealistic typecasting is, however I can also understand how others can take it the wrong way and we shouldn't fight over that because it's like this. If we all stood side by side in front of a red wall we can all come up with dozens and dozens of differing opinions on what it represents, but in the end it's only a red wall. What i'm trying to say is we've come to a point where we have learn't about equality and different cultures but we are still ALLOWING words to hurt us.

Nigger only hurts if you let it. so why not look at the wall from a different angle. To those also trying to force their point that the song is not racist, why not do the same thing and look from the angle they can see.

Have a nice day folks.

Actually, I believe everypne is involved with racism, homophobia, and discrimination. Whatever race you are, there is some crude name out there for you. I hate to be blunt, but it's true. I'm white and I'm Jewish, don't think that I haven't heard all the names. Anyone who is a human and doesn't live under a rock knows that we are all apart of the descrimination. Hispanics, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Arabs, you name it, they have descrimination against them. We're all a part of it.

Ofcourse we all part of it. My point which i'm sorry to say is rather clear is that none of us will have the same point of view and the group the terms are pointed at will have a more extreme reaction than any other person.

And your last point. well yeah I made that clear in my first post :D -> ''And that can apply to any social minority that has been pressured in the past and present. ''

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

We've had to skip through chapters in English to find certain quotes of racism before we start reading. That's how I know.

And what quotes did you find?

SuperTrendy:

ha_ha_you're_screwed:

I'm about to read the book, I'm reading the quotes. That book might be an amazing piece of Literature but some of what is in that book is really 'fucked up'.

Well it's not because this is exactly what people have to come to understood about allowing words to hurt you because if there is anything you will ever learn in your life about art, music, literature hell about life in general it is that Words will never hurt you. What can be humiliating, terrifying or hurtful is the Context in which they are put.

Now meg has very kindly taken most of the quotes that may raise alarm out from the book. but she didn't include the context in which they came or fundamental facts such as the author Harper Lee came from the deep south and was making a social representation of the time to bring to light the racism.quote]

*points up*