Prostitution.

Kurtni Reznor:

Love. Hate. Tragedy.:

Just because someone doesn't find something immoral, doesn't mean it isn't. Murder is immoral. So is selling your body.

Morals are not concrete facts you know, they vary by person. It isn't like there is one strict set of morals that everyone adheres to. Thats why asking for a law to be passed and using morality as your arguement will get you no where. If you say you're against prostitution because it is immoral, you wouldn't change anything. But, if you agured that it should be illegal because of it's relation to human trafficking, STD transmission and sexual assault, you'd be able to accomplish something. Do you see the difference there? Morality is an opinion, and laws cannot be based on opinion alone. You need reason behind them as well.

Well, I've already stated those. I was just simply saying that just because someone didn't find something immoral, doesn't mean that it isn't immoral.

You're right about not being able to change anything based on that, but it doesn't make it any less true.

I don't think selling your body is immoral, so how does that work? Just because you have an opinion and think something is immoral or moral doesn't mean it's right for a law.

A lot people think homosexuality is immoral but it's not illegal.

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I was just simply saying that just because someone didn't find something immoral, doesn't mean that it isn't immoral.

For some people it does, because there are multiple moralities. There is no one morality that decides what it moral and what isn't, it's up for personal interpretation. I guarantee you, for every single issue you could name, there will be people who find it to be moral and people who find it to be immoral, and there isn't anything wrong with that because people are allowed to have their own moralities.

Ah well, I guess the next person who murders someone shouldn't be arrested if they don't think it's immoral. I mean, that's their right, isn't it?

If they don't think human life should be valued, why should we try to force our morals on them?

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EDIT.
That was at Fentoozler

Kurtni Reznor:

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I was just simply saying that just because someone didn't find something immoral, doesn't mean that it isn't immoral.

For some people it does, because there are multiple moralities. There is no one morality that decides what it moral and what isn't, it's up for personal interpretation. I guarantee you, for every single issue you could name, there will be people who find it to be moral and people who find it to be immoral, and there isn't anything wrong with that because people are allowed to have their own moralities.

That doesn't make them right and therefore doesn't mean laws should be based on them.

What kind of message would this kind of thing send to the nations' youth?

Seriously.

Love. Hate. Tragedy.:

Ah well, I guess the next person who murders someone shouldn't be arrested if they don't think it's immoral. I mean, that's their right, isn't it?

You're just not understanding anything I'm saying. :shifty

They should be arrested, and why? Because morality is not an excuse to break the laws. I can find murder, rape and stealing to all be moral, I can use my freedom of speech to say those things as well, but if I do them I am still punished, why? Because morality isn't what regulates the law. Everyone is allowed their own morality, but your morality doesn't determine your rights. Please, don't put words in my mouth and say I said that people have the right to murder each other when I clearly didn't.

Kurtni Reznor:

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Ah well, I guess the next person who murders someone shouldn't be arrested if they don't think it's immoral. I mean, that's their right, isn't it?

You're just not understanding anything I'm saying. :shifty

They should be arrested, and why? Because morality is not an excuse to break the laws. I can find murder, rape and stealing to all be moral, I can use my freedom of speech to say those things as well, but if I do them I am still punished, why? Because morality isn't what regulates the law. Everyone is allowed their own morality, but your morality doesn't determine your rights. Please, don't put words in my mouth and say I said that people have the right to murder each other when I clearly didn't.

That wasn't directed at you.

And as I said, the basic everyday laws are based on morals.

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That doesn't make them right and therefore doesn't mean laws should be based on them.

I never said that it did :omfg:

Kurtni Reznor:

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That doesn't make them right and therefore doesn't mean laws should be based on them.

I never said that it did :omfg:

I never said you did, but that's basically what's being said here.

I don't really see how taking a life away is in any way similar to selling your body. I can sell everything else I own, why not my body.

Like I said, people find homosexuality immoral, should we make a law saying it's okay to bash gay people because some people think it's immoral? No.

What kind of message is it sending to youths? Hm, probably the same one they're getting from a lot of the celebrities who prance around in their underwear, people who grow up to be porn stars, the ones they see on the cover of daddy's "hidden" magazines, the girls having sex on tv or the ones stripping in the bars. It's not that different.

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I never said you did, but that's basically what's being said here.

That isn't remotely close to what is "basically being said here". I said everyone is allowed their own morality. Did I say that laws should be passed on obscure moralities? Never. Did I say that someones morality was right? Never.

So, if I never said those things, how is that what is "basically being said here"? :mrgreen:

Fentoozler:

What kind of message is it sending to youths? Hm, probably the same one they're getting from a lot of the celebrities who prance around in their underwear, people who grow up to be porn stars, the ones they see on the cover of daddy's "hidden" magazines, the girls having sex on tv or the ones stripping in the bars. It's not that different.

Exactly, but just because they do it doesn't make it right.
People don't want their kids seeing it, and a lot of them try to protect them from it. Making prostotution legal wouldn't help anything, just make things worse.

Not to mention the disease it would spread like wildfire. Say get tested all you want, but not everyone is so honest.

Kurtni Reznor:

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I never said you did, but that's basically what's being said here.

That isn't remotely close to what is "basically being said here". I said everyone is allowed their own morality. Did I say that laws should be passed on obscure moralities? Never. Did I say that someones morality was right? Never.

So, if I never said those things, how is that what is "basically being said here"? :mrgreen:

Not by you, but by others saying that morals are different between different people. Yes, they are, but it doesn't make this kind of thing right.

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Not to mention the disease it would spread like wildfire. Say get tested all you want, but not everyone is so honest.

If they're in an escort service, they have to get tested. Same with the porn industry, they get tested every 6 weeks.

Fentoozler:

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Not to mention the disease it would spread like wildfire. Say get tested all you want, but not everyone is so honest.

If they're in an escort service, they have to get tested. Same with the porn industry, they get tested every 6 weeks.

Every 6 weeks? It only takes one minute to get AIDS and within 6 weeks how many people would be infected without even knowing it?

They don't make the movie without the results.

If it was legal, at least it wouldn't be as dirty as it is now. Their would be regulations. Like every escort service that's already available. There would be less drugs, there wouldn't be as many pimps, they could control their own money, and probably less chances of abuse.

Fentoozler:

They don't make the movie without the results.

I'm talking about prostitution here. If they got tested every six weeks, who's to say they wouldn't sleep with someone with aids within those six weeks inbetween tests without knowing and then spreading it?

They would probably get tested a lot more often than pornstars.

Yeah, so a few less people with AIDS. I get what you're saying.
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I've said what I've had to say, and we're just going in circles here. So I'm pretty much done for now.

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a few less people with AIDS.

You'd think a few less would be a lot better than "a lot more people with AIDS". :shifty