Hitler

ayanasioux:

Yeah, they were either persecuted or enslaved.

If that was the case then It's a miracle that Germany was able to start WWII. Hitler persecuted the minorities. The Jews, Gypsies, and the Communists. He did not, however, kill everyone that didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. If that was the case then he would have been overthrown and thrown in with the Jews, because it wasn't just Hitler that believed in the ideal of the Aryan race, it was the entire Nazi party, many of whom didn't have blond hair or blue eyes either. It was just seen as the "perfect" example of a human being, that does not mean everyone who wasn't perfect was killed.

ayanasioux:

Yeah, they were either persecuted or enslaved.

Er...no they weren't? That's simply not true. Simply google a picture of the Goebbels family. He had dark hair and dark eyes (the photos are black and white, but you can quite clearly see that they aren't blonde/blue eyed) as did some of his children.

The Aryan race was the ideal in Hitler's opinion. The pinnacle of what people should be like. However, there were plenty of Germans living in Nazi Germany who didn't have those features, but if they weren't an ethnic minority or disabled in some way etc. they were fine. I'd advise you to maybe google pictures of the Hitler Youth - you can see plenty of dark haired/dark eyed children taking part.

LEAF.:

If that was the case then It's a miracle that Germany was able to start WWII. Hitler persecuted the minorities. The Jews, Gypsies, and the Communists. He did not, however, kill everyone that didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. If that was the case then he would have been overthrown and thrown in with the Jews, because it wasn't just Hitler that believed in the ideal of the Aryan race, it was the entire Nazi party, many of whom didn't have blond hair or blue eyes either. It was just seen as the "perfect" example of a human being, that does not mean everyone who wasn't perfect was killed.

The point I believe I made before is that he probably wouldn't have been over thrown because of the jobs he provided for the people in Germany and how he successfully worked on getting them out of the economic depression.

I find it hard to find all of my history teachers wrong including the one who has a doctorates degree in US history (which includes WWII) wrong over someone I've never seen before in my life.

ayanasioux:

The point I believe I made before is that he probably wouldn't have been over thrown because of the jobs he provided for the people in Germany and how he successfully worked on getting them out of the economic depression.

As did all the other Germans who lived in Nazi germany, and who were Nazis themselves. They were only persecuted if they were a minority, as sunflowers. already said very clearly.

ayanasioux:

I find it hard to find all of my history teachers wrong includipersng the one who has a doctorates degree in US history (which includes WWII) wrong over someone I've never seen before in my life.

I find it very odd that your history teachers are telling you that everyone who didn't have blue eyes and blonde hair in Nazi Germany except Hilter was persecuted. I don't care if he has a doctorate, that statement just isn't true. I don't care if you believe me or your teacher, but my teachers have told me a very different story, as have the books I've read on that very matter.

I find it common that high school history classes tend to leave out a lot of information anyway. Perhaps he pointed out the idea of the "ideal" Aryan race, but didn't go deeply into it and you assumed that non-Aryans were killed along with everyone else?

Well, we know what's in the books and that is all.

Its hard to put in words what he did. I can't think of word to describe it because it was worse than horrible. Tragic more like it. I think he did it because he might of had some mental conflicts with himself. Maybe he was raised to believe that stuff. It's no question to say what he did was bad, very bad. I'm curious just to see why he did it. What was going through his head during this. I think he thought he was doing a good thing when he was most certainly not.

ayanasioux:

Well, we know what's in the books and that is all.

Yeah, well what you're saying isn't in the books. Did you look at the links I suggested?

My history teacher is equally qualified as yours (with a history degree from Oxford) and told me the exact opposite of yours, so I'm not really convinced either. But I really would consider looking up a photo of the Goebbels family and maybe just google image search 'nazi youth'. You get lots of photographs and posters from the time which clearly show boys who aren't blonde/blue eyed involved. Do you think they'd be allowed to do such things and be accepted in such away if they were prosecuted like Jews?

melmelzie:

Its hard to put in words what he did. I can't think of word to describe it because it was worse than horrible. Tragic more like it. I think he did it because he might of had some mental conflicts with himself. Maybe he was raised to believe that stuff. It's no question to say what he did was bad, very bad. I'm curious just to see why he did it. What was going through his head during this. I think he thought he was doing a good thing when he was most certainly not.

He blamed the Vymar (sp?) republic on the lost of WWII which contained mostly Jews. Members of the Vymar republic also sighed the Treaty of Versailles which agreed to disarmament to Germany and having Germany pay the war debt causing the whole country to go into a depression. So, he blamed it on the Jews and put them in a genocide.

ella.:

What do you guys think of him?
Why do you guys think he did what he did?
Was it good, or bad?

lol?

^ Please don't spam; you need to seriously contribute to the discussion when you post in the debate threads.

I think Hitler was a very intelligent man.

devil's trap:

Did you read my comment on here about the German Shepards? How they'd give the Nazis puppies and tell them to do everything with the dogs: love, play, sleep, everything. The soldiers got attached and loved the dogs. And then one day, after they were old enough, the generals called them back--and ordered them to strangle them as an offer of loyalty.

God I think that's one of the more fucked up things they did....It's one thing asking someone to kill someone they don't know, another to kill something you love.

This is kind of random, but my teacher is the granddaughter of Edward Shames (Band of Brothers). I got to hold some documents that were looted from the body of a dead German. She also has a Nazi armband an official wore.

At her dad's bar mitzvah they drunk Hitler's cognac!

He shouldn't have been alive in my opinion and yes I'm aware of how cruel and inhuman that sounded. I couldn't comment on how the German's following him must have been feeling, the ones who were all for it not the ones who feared for their lives if they objected, because most of my family is German. The rest are Jewish and I actually had several members who lived through it all.

If I put what I really thought about Hitler and what he did in here I would probably get banned from Mibba altogether. What I said above is honestly the nicest thing I could think of. I just made a really bad impression didn't I?

Or you could go with Ancient Astronout theorys and hitler and the germans were really aliens O_O :P Yea anyways what he did was absalutely terrible beyond belief.

Yes, he was a disturbed human being with severe mental issues. However, it took a very charismatic and smart person in order to do what he did. I mean, he was literally preparing to take over the world and he managed to infatuate thousands with his speeches. Perhaps his obsession with ruling the world was the result was severe psychosis. Still, the man was charismatic, can't take that away from him.

I considered reading Mein Kampf the other day. I think it would be quite interesting in some way.

Alex; oxytocin.:

I considered reading Mein Kampf the other day. I think it would be quite interesting in some way.

I wouldn't recommend it. I attempted to read it, and to be honest, it was just a lengthy, repetitious and confusing ramble. Apparently he had a scribe who he gave speeches to, and I get the feeling it would've sounded so much better in speech form. Or as an audiobook.

I think Hitler was a terrible person, of course, but in a way, he was also a good leader. I don't find him particularly interesting though, and I don't think that he was solely the bad person.

Hitler doesn't quite deserve ALL the flack he gets. Sometimes I think some people forget that there was so many officers and generals that fueled it.

What I do condone is making fun of him. It's an issue that has been raised recently that people shouldn't make light of that situation, particularly Hitler because it's disrespecting the people who died. There has been a lot of fun poked at him - from Charlie Chaplin's The Dictator to Allo Allo, various skits from Family Guy and South Park and to the random cameo in Let's Kill Hitler.

Sure, he was charismatic and intelligent but we should make fun of him. Some people disagree with me but I think it's fair enough. I don't think making fun of the Nazis in general is bad - it's not making fun of the millions who suffered and yeah I sound like a shit

just put Hitler in the cupboard.

ayanasioux:

He blamed the Vymar (sp?) republic on the lost of WWII which contained mostly Jews. Members of the Vymar republic also sighed the Treaty of Versailles which agreed to disarmament to Germany and having Germany pay the war debt causing the whole country to go into a depression. So, he blamed it on the Jews and put them in a genocide.

I don't think it was because the Jews were members of the Weimar republic as such; that was kind of a different thing. The Jews were basically considered as a scapegoat because they were a minority group and also, when Hitler came to power, people were just recovering from the economic depression. A lot of people blamed the depression on the Jews because in Germany at that time, a lot of bankers and people working in that industry were Jewish.

As for the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler basically just decided to ignore it completely. And part of the treaty said that he had to give away about 13% of Germany's land back to the other surrounding countries. His aim (and the reason WWII started) was partly to do with him claiming back the land that he believed belonged to the Germans.

/\ Yeah, I just studied it in school, and now I know a little too much about it.
Put simply, I think that Hitler is a disgusting man, and many of the things he did were horrific.