Purgatory

Geesecks.:

But... that doesn't even make sense. Why would God send us to wait for our judgement? It's like 'yeah, you're going to Hell, but not for another couple of years.:cute:'

Erh, no.

Well, how else would you explain the Judgment Day? (Unless time is totally different elsewhere... which it probably is).
We couldn't go straight to heaven or straight to hell when we die (if purgatory is real), because then--what--we're removed from whichever place and then separated again?
That, my friend, is what doesn't make sense.

Piccolo the Great:

Geesecks.:

But... that doesn't even make sense. Why would God send us to wait for our judgement? It's like 'yeah, you're going to Hell, but not for another couple of years.:cute:'

Erh, no.

Well, how else would you explain the Judgment Day? (Unless time is totally different elsewhere... which it probably is).
We couldn't go straight to heaven or straight to hell when we die (if purgatory is real), because then--what--we're removed from whichever place and then separated again?
That, my friend, is what doesn't make sense.

I believed we're judged when we die; you go to Heaven or Hell.

I think Judgement Day is just when God is going to come back to take His people with Him. People here, that haven't died. I don't believe we're stuck somewhere inbetween.

Geesecks.:

In God's eyes all sins are equal. :file: Except for blasphemy.

Not all sins are considered equal. That's why there are the seven deadly sins. The way to make it deadly is to have full knowledge of wehat you are doing, full knowledge that it is a sin, and complete consent.

Umbrella Pwnage:

Geesecks.:

In God's eyes all sins are equal. :file: Except for blasphemy.

Not all sins are considered equal. That's why there are the seven deadly sins. The way to make it deadly is to have full knowledge of wehat you are doing, full knowledge that it is a sin, and complete consent.

They're considered 'deadly' because they're the ones that tend to consume people and ruin their lives.

They're still equal to all others.

^ Well my priest taught our church differently.

Piccolo the Great:

Leonore Paisley:

...what's purgatory...? :shifty [/heathen]

Purgatory is kind of like a final purification. It's supposedly a place not in heaven, nor in hell, nor on Earth. A place where our souls will wait and prepare until Judgement Day.
It's necessary, because it gives us a last chance to purify ourselves before meeting God in heaven, since nothing unclean can enter there.

Purgatory is pretty much purely a Catholic ideal, though it is not wholly rejected by other religions.
I am a Catholic, and so this idea has been taught to me since I was small.
I say, why not Purgatory?
For now, I believe it. It makes sense.
If it turns out that there is no such place, then oh, well. God knows what He's doing.

If Purgatory exists, that's probably where I"m headed. I think that's where all the nice Atheists/Agnostics should go. Like heaven, but not really.

-cough-
Isn't the Purgatory ..mnn... not mentioned in the Bible?
:shifty

I definitley don't believe in Purgatory. It doesn't make sense to me. I believe you're judged the moment you die, and God decides wether you go to Heaven or Hell right then, you don't have to do Penance after you die, I don't believe in Penance while you're alive either, nor do I believe in Confession. I believe if you're truly sorry for your sins and you let God know that you'll go to Heaven, even if it's a mortal sin. As long as you're sorry for your sins, you go to Heaven.

I hate the thoughts of rapists and murderers in Heaven. Even if they are "sorry". I'm sorry, it's just very disturbing.

IconicGirl:

I hate the thoughts of rapists and murderers in Heaven. Even if they are "sorry". I'm sorry, it's just very disturbing.

Have you heard of Mary Magdalen?
She didn't just say sorry. You don't just say ''sorry''.
It's absurd. You need to mean it.
You're supposed to repent your sins, not just say sorry.

sueno?:

IconicGirl:

I hate the thoughts of rapists and murderers in Heaven. Even if they are "sorry". I'm sorry, it's just very disturbing.

Have you heard of Mary Magdalen?
She didn't just say sorry. You don't just say ''sorry''.
It's absurd. You need to mean it.
You're supposed to repent your sins, not just say sorry.

Even if they do repent, it doesn't change what they did. They took/ruined lives. Maybe I'm just a bit biased in this area, but I think that's just something can't be forgiven.
But then again, God is all forgiving...

Bad, silly example:
Joe is young and stupid so he rapes Jane.
Goes to jail, time passes.
Joe repents his sins, fasts, prays, asks for forgiveness, donates his fortune, goes to Africa in a desperate try to stop famine, militates for world peace, builds hospitals and schools, feeds the poor and rescues thousands from death.
It doesn't change what he did.
But I hope you agree with me that Joe sounds like a good man after all. It's all about second chances and being imperfect.
We are all imperfect human beings but we always have a chance to try and repair what we've ruined/destroyed.
But I am only a silly girl, I can't even dare to guess how God judges us.

sueno?:

Have you heard of Mary Magdalen?
She didn't just say sorry. You don't just say ''sorry''.
It's absurd. You need to mean it.
You're supposed to repent your sins, not just say sorry.

I don't know much about what happened to Mary Magdalen. What do you mean?

Leonore Paisley:

sueno?:

Have you heard of Mary Magdalen?
She didn't just say sorry. You don't just say ''sorry''.
It's absurd. You need to mean it.
You're supposed to repent your sins, not just say sorry.

I don't know much about what happened to Mary Magdalen. What do you mean?

Wiki article about her and other site. They're not the most reliable sources but I didn't want to tell you the story myself because a/it's long and b/I didn't want it to be biased. I mean Mary as the penitent. I could search in other places if you wish. : )
Whenever I think of penitence the image of Titian's Mary Magdalene comes to mind. I just wanted to point out that penitence is not easy.

Mr. Palomar:

Bad, silly example:
Joe is young and stupid so he rapes Jane.
Goes to jail, time passes.
Joe repents his sins, fasts, prays, asks for forgiveness, donates his fortune, goes to Africa in a desperate try to stop famine, militates for world peace, builds hospitals and schools, feeds the poor and rescues thousands from death.
It doesn't change what he did.
But I hope you agree with me that Joe sounds like a good man after all. It's all about second chances and being imperfect.
We are all imperfect human beings but we always have a chance to try and repair what we've ruined/destroyed.
But I am only a silly girl, I can't even dare to guess how God judges us.

I see your point. There are some people who would be TRULY sorry for their crimes, but they are in fact the minority

Umbrella Pwnage:

Geesecks.:

I don't believe in it. At all.

You're given one chance. Not two, not three. This life is what we're judged on. When it's over you're judged. Not years later. That to me doesn't make a bit of sense.

um. Agreed. lol.

My Hateful Romance:

sueno?:

IconicGirl:

I hate the thoughts of rapists and murderers in Heaven. Even if they are "sorry". I'm sorry, it's just very disturbing.

Have you heard of Mary Magdalen?
She didn't just say sorry. You don't just say ''sorry''.
It's absurd. You need to mean it.
You're supposed to repent your sins, not just say sorry.

Even if they do repent, it doesn't change what they did. They took/ruined lives. Maybe I'm just a bit biased in this area, but I think that's just something can't be forgiven.
But then again, God is all forgiving...

And He also looks into the heart. The men of God in Bible, like Paul for example, were bad guys, too. Paul used to kill people who believed in God, until God revealed Himself to him. Paul repented; God looked into Paul's heart and saw that he really meant it. It's a matter of the heart, not the sin.

Hm, purgatory... Honestly, this is the first time I've heard of that word.
I don't think I believe in it though. Never came across it in the Bible, not once. At least, not that I can remember.

Piccolo the Great:

Umbrella Pwnage:

We just went over this in church school about a month ago. Purgatory is the place where people who aren't canonized saints go when they die. You stay there until God deems you perfect. It is a place where you are in immense pain (most likely emotional because you would have no body.)

I think it's real. God knows everyone has done something of sin so there must be a final place to serve penance.

Whoa, that's not what I learned.
I was never taught that you are in immense pain there. It's more like a waiting room.
Supposedly, saints and the like go straight to heaven because of their deep relationship with God. Plus, it's humans who canonize saints. I think that it's more God's right to say who is and who is not worthy of paradise.

And I don't think that we have to be perfect to be accepted into heaven. We simply have to be ready.

Pestilence.:

Is it the same thing as Limbo? Or can you not get out of Limbo?

Limbo is more like the outskirts of hell, put simply, although it has many, many different interpretations. Kind of like Purgatory, but not quite.

Hahaha a waiting room! I believe in it and I actually think of it as a waiting room, too! =] i guess we'll just have to wait and see. :p

As far as I know, purgatory is simply an outdated piece of Catholic dogma. In fact, the last thing I heard was that they were thinking of getting rid of it.

I think the idea is interesting, but I don't believe it actually exists.

I can't believe in purgatory for one simple reason.

Purgatory is based on the idea that your acts get you into Heaven and Hell. They don't. The decision to live completely and totally for Jesus Christ is what gets you into Heaven and the decision to live any other way when you know that that is the right way is what gets you into Hell.

There is no purgatory because there is no penance for sins. When you live completely for God, you ask for forgiveness from your sins and truly and completely turn from them. It's hard, and it can be near impossibly sometimes, but that's how it goes. No one who is not truly and completely different from when they were sinning can get into Heaven. No one who claims Jesus and lives for Him goes to Hell.
That's it, in my eyes.