Fifteen Year Old Girl Stabs, Strangles, and Slits the Throat of a Nine Year Old Girl.

^ Exactly. Also, if you have a wicked temper, that can be treated with psychiatric help, and one is often recommended to do so.

thedisappearinggirl.:

Not everyone who has killed someone is necessarily mental, though. You have people with horrible tempers who get so angry that they end up bashing someone's skull in, but they don't have mental issues, tempramental issues, yes. Or people who just have no conscience.

It's not normal to get so angry you can't stop yourself from bashing somebody's head into a wall. It's also not normal to not feel remorse/not be capable to relate to other people.

^ ^ Is anyone really normal, anyway? I consider those problems, but not real mental problems. Everyone has problems either way, don't they?

I'm just saying that if she does need help, then go ahead and give it to her, but she needs punishment. Like, you can't just send a murderer to a mental facility, and then release them when they're considered helped.

^ That is not how the system works. Have you never heard of criminally insane wards?

Most never get out. Some recover enough to but that would only occur if the crime was commited under the influence of a controllable illness such as schizophrenia, bipolar etc.

Sociopaths who kill then, it doesn't happen.

Normal is subjective but she betrays the social norms. Sociopaths are very rare and have little reaction to pain or the subjection of pain unto others.

Obviously I've heard of the insane wards, I didn't know that's what they'd do here.

Well, they might as well send her to prison if they're gonna send her to a ward, anyway. So what's the point? You're most likely never gonna get out of either whether you're helped or not. I'd still say prison.

thedisappearinggirl.:

Obviously I've heard of the insane wards, I didn't know that's what they'd do here.

Well, they might as well send her to prison if they're gonna send her to a ward, anyway. So what's the point? You're most likely never gonna get out of either whether you're helped or not. I'd still say prison.

What is the point? She'll get help. How does the whole "dignity for human life" stance work now? She's killed somebody therefore she is no longer human, let's torture her?

The ward is a primarily medical environment where she would have access to the appropiate medical attention and she can be given the standard of care that her illness requires if it gets better or worse.

Prison would not help here, it would make her worse. As such, is prison a very good idea to put someone in who has little reason to abide by the rooms. At least in a ward she can get help and be sedated if required.

Um, well, let's see . . . . You're spending your life in prison, or a ward.

You're gonna die in them either way.

Does it really matter whether you got help or not if you're just gonna spend the rest of your life there and then die there? I don't think so.

Let's change the scenario a little?

Myra Hindley - all-round evil tube from Yorkshire - was incarcerated indefinately for her crimes. She got cancer. It is against human rights to deny her - or the girl in this scenerio - treatment. That's part of the responsibility of taking someone in that sort of custody. You have to take care of them.

And you're the one trying to defend the value of a human life?

Everyone needs a chance to do better.

^^^Uh not to you, but to her, and to her family and potential people she could kill in prison, they all care. But seeing as you don't care what happens to her, they might as well kill her, right?

Yes, but obviously mental issues are a lot different than cancer.

I still don't see the difference considering you're gonna live your life and die in the same place, with or without help.

Whether she needs help or not, she took the life of a nine year old girl -- the little girl's life hadn't even started yet -- she hurt the girl's family deeply. They lost something that meant an incredible ton to them, because of this messed up fifteen year old.

Happening to be less mental then you were when you entered the facility isn't going to help you during the last half of your life while you're stuck in that same facility.

thedisappearinggirl.:

Yes, but obviously mental issues are a lot different than cancer.

I still don't see the difference considering you're gonna live your life and die in the same place, with or without help.

Whether she needs help or not, she took the life of a nine year old girl -- the little girl's life hadn't even started yet -- she hurt the girl's family deeply. They lost something that meant an incredible ton to them, because of this messed up fifteen year old.

Happening to be less mental then you were when you entered the facility isn't going to help you during the last half of your life while you're stuck in that same facility.

Under the Human Rights Act, anyone detained under state care must be provided with the required medical help when and where required.

As such, she has a mental illness that requires treatment.

Yes, she will spend the last days in some sort of prison. But she still. needs. help.

It is the duty of the detainer to provide that help.

^ ^ True, but remember, I'm the person that doesn't think she has any mental issues.

If she does, then I'd agree with an insanity ward, if she doesn't, then prison. You don't have to be mental to do something wrong. Like I said, my cousin tried to kill people, and she didn't have any medical issues. She had been to doctors. When she got older, she got better. It's completely possible and I think that may be the case here. I just think they need to look into it and see what, if anything, is wrong with her, and go from there.

In psychiatric wards they're more accustomed to working with mentally ill people, which I think should be a consideration. Also, she's fifteen, right? Maybe she should be put into a ward for the criminally insane and then her case could be reevaluated at eighteen or twenty-one - either prison or more treatment? I don't agree with putting a fifteen-year-old in prison, but this girl shouldn't be allowed in a situation where she might kill again, and given her "motive" it seems likely she will.

True, but at least she would be kept in a place where she could do no hurt to others or herself.

Currie.:

True, but at least she would be kept in a place where she could do no hurt to others or herself.

I don't think she would be. In prison, there are ways to get your hands on things to inflict pain and commit murder with. Someone looking after a psychiatric patient would be more vigilant for that. Prison workers shouldn't have to deal with the violently mentally ill - it's not what they're trained for. It's not fair on them.

I meant that if she were in a mental ward she couldn't hurt anyone. Sorry about not being clear enough.

thedisappearinggirl.:

You don't have to be mental to do something wrong. Like I said, my cousin tried to kill people, and she didn't have any medical issues. She had been to doctors. When she got older, she got better. It's completely possible and I think that may be the case here. I just think they need to look into it and see what, if anything, is wrong with her, and go from there.

^ ^ I stand by this, still.

If we are under the assumption that she does have mental issues ( as it seems we are ), then they are gonna have to send her to a ward. But as I said up there, not everyone who kills or tries to kill people are diagnosed with a mental illness. Though I don't think she has any issues, I'm not completely closed off to the idea that she does have them.

Before making any decisions, I think she should be carefully looked at by professionals, and I'm guessing that's what's going to happen, and that's the bottom line of my opinion at this point.

One thing I don't understand is why she chose to kill the nine year old girl, instead of someone older or someone less closer to her. I figured that if you wanted to know what it felt like, you wouldn't kill someone that you actually knew . . . . I mean, if I wanted to see what it was like to kill someone ( which I don't ), I think I would take the logical path of choosing to not try it on anyone that's involved in my life or close to me . . . . But who knows.

Currie.:

I meant that if she were in a mental ward she couldn't hurt anyone. Sorry about not being clear enough.

Ah, never mind. Maybe if I'd scanned the thread I would have been able to guess that ^^

I agree with you then. Mental ward = much better security.