Suicide

Um, I don't know how many people saw the journal but not too long ago there was a girl who was going to 'commit suicide'. Of course, I don't know if she ever did it but her account was removed so I will never find out.

I told her a lot of things that I regret, if she did end up killing herself. I told her she was selfish, and that she was fucking stupid if she went through it. I was really harsh and she was just.... calm, I guess? I don't know if she did it but I was really upset for a few days after that and talking about it is difficult. Sometimes suicide is there, but people have only gone so far physically, like taking a bunch of pills.

But some people aren't there mentally, if this makes sense. So, no matter what, people are always trying to stop others when they say they're trying to commit suicide. I just feel that if someone said one right thing on that journal, she might have stopped. And I always have that hope when I see journals like that. And yeah, it's for attention, but sometimes in the back of my mind I really believe them.

I know parts of this are choppy and make no sense but I really wanted to get this out, I'm still pretty touchy about the subject.

^She didn't...supposedly.

Bruce Wayne?:

^She didn't...supposedly.

I don't know who to believe. There were RIP Journals, and then people saying she didn't do it. :|

^Well, there was a seperate account that was made and that account announced it was her and she didn't really commit suicide. That account is now frozen along with her original account. I'm sorta skeptic on both details too, seeing as there were still people saying that the account was a fraud and that she really did commit suicide.

Bruce Wayne?:

^Well, there was a seperate account that was made and that account announced it was her and she didn't really commit suicide. That account is now frozen along with her original account. I'm sorta skeptic on both details too, seeing as there were still people saying that the account was a fraud and that she really did commit suicide.

Yeah, I just don't know who to believe and for like a week after that I was really tense and I didn't like to come on Mibba. I've seen things happen like that before but it was just... different. You know?

I know, plus...it's the internet. Anyone could get away with saying anything...

lucifer's_angel:

Countries such as Australia and Japan have quite high rates, possibly due to factors such as droughts in Australia [as it's a commonality amongst farmers], and high pressure society of Japan.

Ok, so I never thought that our on-going droughts caused suicide amongst farmers. Never heard anything on the matter.

But I do think suicide is a really touchy subject, and is not something I like to talk a lot about personally because I've had suicidal thoughts and even tried hurting myself once. Which was completely stupid and I seriously regret ever thinking about it before, but at the time I was really depressed.

I saw this thing on the news about a month ago where two teenage girls who fell under the "emo" term, which is so over used now (my sister calls me emo because I like MCR..O.o) Anyway, these two girls seemed completely happy with their lives in the eyes of their parents until the day they went out and never came home. They had planned a joint suicide and were able to find out all the means to hang themselves on the internet. Including information about how to test a branch and tie the knots in the ropes. After the girls suicides the parents got onto their e-mails, myspace etc only to see really dark depressing stuff. This kind of thing freaks me out so much, and personally it shows me all the dangers in the world. If suicide is so discouraged, why do sick minded people have the guts to create a website telling people how to kill themselves.

I have no idea if I made any sense...O.o

I have been in the position
many times
of being completely terrified of saying the wrong thing to someone, because they're in a state of mind where I'm genuinely concerned they're going to commit suicide ..

I believe it is a choice. And while people say it may be selfish, selfish is hardly a major sin in the world ..
But I don't know if I could deal with being the cause of someone else's cessation of life.

I was having suicidal fantasies and hurting myself before, but I made myself stop. None of my 'friends' really cared, but I still convinced myself somehow. So I know what its like to be in that state of mind.

On journals its just really sad to see so many other people who are feeling that way, but sometimes I say something, other times I don't want to say anything.

I've came dangerously close to doing it; And I'm glad I didn't.

Kiss.Me.Goodbye:

lucifer's_angel:

Countries such as Australia and Japan have quite high rates, possibly due to factors such as droughts in Australia [as it's a commonality amongst farmers], and high pressure society of Japan.

Ok, so I never thought that our on-going droughts caused suicide amongst farmers. Never heard anything on the matter.

Probably the reason why you've never heard anything is because news on the tv, radio, paper, don't have reports on suicides unless it is someone famous.

And think about it. Farmers. Farming is all they might know how to do, it's their whole life, their business, income, leisure perhaps too. When droughts come along, the majority of that goes down the hole.
If you've spent your whole life putting all of your effort and money into your farming business to have it all ruined by droughts. You'd be devastated.
What would you do to occupy yourself?
Giving up their role on the farm would be hard. And what would those who have no other skills besides agriculture and farming do to get new jobs? How would they earn enough money to stay alive?
What if it was a long ongoing family business, and it ended because of the drought? The family tradition would be broken.

Perhaps I look too far into things, and ask too many rhetorical questions.
But I believe droughts are one of the main causes of suicides here in australia.

mikeyglam;:

Probably the reason why you've never heard anything is because news on the tv, radio, paper, don't have reports on suicides unless it is someone famous.

And think about it. Farmers. Farming is all they might know how to do, it's their whole life, their business, income, leisure perhaps too. When droughts come along, the majority of that goes down the hole.
If you've spent your whole life putting all of your effort and money into your farming business to have it all ruined by droughts. You'd be devastated.
What would you do to occupy yourself?
Giving up their role on the farm would be hard. And what would those who have no other skills besides agriculture and farming do to get new jobs? How would they earn enough money to stay alive?
What if it was a long ongoing family business, and it ended because of the drought? The family tradition would be broken.

Perhaps I look too far into things, and ask too many rhetorical questions.
But I believe droughts are one of the main causes of suicides here in Australia.

Besides droughts farmers suffer other problems. The increase in foreign goods trade ... Being somewhat put down upon by society :\ ... Decline in their rights, demand for their produce, etc .. They lose money adhering to the enforced standards of the animals they trade (like since the scandal of the mistreatment of sheep on ships).

The drought is part of it.

Also, the culture - if you've been raised with the responsibility to maintain the farm of your forefathers, and have spent your life watching your family struggle to do so ... It gives one a negative outlook on the future.

Justified suicide?
Well, speaking from a Christian point of view, God does not justify suicide (you don't go to hell for it though. that would suck. frying pan into the fire, like literally)
"He (God) will not tempt you beyond that which you are able"
which means there's really no excuse. if God wanted you to die, he'd kill you. however since "the flesh is weak", and I'm obsessively open minded, I think there are times (very few) when I'd say it was almost justifiable. like people facing a life-sentence in jail, or something really, really awful. or if some badguys were about to capture you and torture you until you give them information about where you're hiding your family, who they are trying to kill (although when will that EVER happen?)
Well, that's my thoughts.

^So, it's alright to kill yourself to prevent harm to others, or ensure their safety / health / happiness / wellbeing,

but if you yourself are suffering mentally / emotionally / physically / whatever, killing yourself is wrong?

lucifer's_angel:

^So, it's alright to kill yourself to prevent harm to others, or ensure their safety / health / happiness / wellbeing,

but if you yourself are suffering mentally / emotionally / physically / whatever, killing yourself is wrong?

Yeah, I guess. Cause dying for someone else is like, a selfless act of kindness. But killing yourself is always going to hurt someone else in some way.

I hate it when people try to kill themselves. Don't they know that they have people who actually love them? Did they want to be known as the person who died over something stupid? I'm so glad I didn't kill myself. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me. I talked myself out of doing this stupid thing to myself. It wasn't easy. I kept talking to myself for weeks after. I'm so happy now that I'm alive. I would have missed my first concert if I had died. I would have missed beauty, pain, health, love, and everything else.

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lucifer's_angel:

^So, it's alright to kill yourself to prevent harm to others, or ensure their safety / health / happiness / wellbeing,

but if you yourself are suffering mentally / emotionally / physically / whatever, killing yourself is wrong?

Yeah, I guess. Cause dying for someone else is like, a selfless act of kindness. But killing yourself is always going to hurt someone else in some way.

But isn't it selfish of the people left to keep someone around who is suffering? Who wants to leave? Why must we be selfless?

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But isn't it selfish of the people left to keep someone around who is suffering? Who wants to leave? Why must we be selfless?

They're not keeping the suffering person. Nothing's keeping anyone from killing themselves.
Why must we be selfless? Because nothing good can come from being selfish.

?? Nothing good? If killing yourself seems to be the only thing to do, then I'd say that's something good. If you can't go on living, I'd say killing yourself helps someone.

^You say nothing keeps someone from killing themselves - I was responding to the repeated remarks of the damage that it does to those around you.

Aren't we selfish everyday? It's scarcely the greatest sin.

It only helps yourself. And you always can go on living. You always have that choice. (I strictly mean people who are suicidal because of emotional problems here)

If someone telling a suicidal person (truthfully) that killing themselves will put their friends and family through emotional torture, and that stops them from killing themselves, then isn't it a good thing?

Yes, being selfish to some extent is in our nature. But that doesn't extend to suicide.