Heaven and Hell

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The Pope got rid of purgatory a few years ago. It is very similar to the Hindu karma wheel, though that one uses reincarnation as opposed to hell as a means of atoning for one's sins (and is very similar to my beliefs).

Purgatory was an inbetween place, it wasn't Hell nor was it Heaven?

And, do you know why the Pope got rid of it?

The Pies Endure:

Purgatory was an inbetween place, it wasn't Hell nor was it Heaven?

And, do you know why the Pope got rid of it?

Yeah. It's where the unbaptized babies go. Or went, rather. From what I understand he sort of 'got rid of it' because unbaptized babies get to go to Heaven now?

I'm sorry. I'm not the person to ask. My knowledge of Catholicism isn't much, but my boyfriend's Catholic so if he can explain it to me, I'll update this post with that information.

^ it was not purgatory; it was limbo. There's a difference between the two. The Limbo serves as a border where unbaptized souls reside. The purgatory is the place of punishment for those who were neither good or bad enough to go to heaven or hell and it was constructed in Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy.

But yes, the idea of a limbo was outdated thanks to pope Benedict's more progressive views about god and how he's merciful and would not have innocent children being sent to limbo for the sole reason of not being baptized.

What I'd like to know, tho, is whether this exerts also over other people who never got baptized but that still practiced the Catholic faith.

Anyways, limbo was never an official church doctrine, so, one year before the current pope was elected, a commission of theologians was appointed to discuss whether the term was still necessary for Catholic faith.

I told my Catholic boyfriend last month that limbo was gotten rid of by the Pope. He didn't know. I was amused by the fact that he shrugged and went 'well, the Pope's infallible, so that's that'.

My thoughts on heaven and hell will be posted, but first I have to ask a couple questions to myself.

Where did the theory of heaven and hell spurt from?
The theory of God, of course. From my current knowledge, God created heaven and hell to categorize people and make hell the worst place and heaven the best.

Okay then. Where did the theory of God bloom from?
According to some people, God sent people down to write the bible. The Founding Fathers, wasn't it? Or something like that. Okay. I understand. So show me your proof of the Founding Fathers.

You see, everything traces back. My parents taught me the theory of God. They're Atheists, but they were the ones who taught me it. So, their parents--or somebody alive at that current time--told them. And somebody told them. And somebody told them. It traces back so far...so where did it start from? I understand that the theory of God just relies on Faith. But what I want to know is how the idea even started. I'd like to know who was creative enough to come up with heaven and hell.

itsy bitsy spider.:

Where did the theory of heaven and hell spurt from?
The theory of God, of course. From my current knowledge, God created heaven and hell to categorize people and make hell the worst place and heaven the best.

I'm unsure if you mean the Christian God, but Heavens and Hells existed before Christianity and Judaism. As usual, that faith borrowed from a faith that existed before it.

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Okay then. Where did the theory of God bloom from?
According to some people, God sent people down to write the bible. The Founding Fathers, wasn't it? Or something like that. Okay. I understand. So show me your proof of the Founding Fathers.

Well, the Founding Fathers were actually some of the most important first politicians of America, not writers of the Bible. George Washington is a founding father, not Moses.

itsy bitsy spider.:

My thoughts on heaven and hell will be posted, but first I have to ask a couple questions to myself.

Where did the theory of heaven and hell spurt from?
The theory of God, of course. From my current knowledge, God created heaven and hell to categorize people and make hell the worst place and heaven the best.

Okay then. Where did the theory of God bloom from?
According to some people, God sent people down to write the bible. The Founding Fathers, wasn't it? Or something like that. Okay. I understand. So show me your proof of the Founding Fathers.

You see, everything traces back. My parents taught me the theory of God. They're Atheists, but they were the ones who taught me it. So, their parents--or somebody alive at that current time--told them. And somebody told them. And somebody told them. It traces back so far...so where did it start from? I understand that the theory of God just relies on Faith. But what I want to know is how the idea even started. I'd like to know who was creative enough to come up with heaven and hell.

As Dru said, heaven and Hell existed before Judaism, and I've read that the Jewish concept of heaven and hell is different to the Christian view.

I don't think anyone knows where it originated, but I think time immemorial [is that the right word?] people have worshipped something, whether it be the sun or mother earth, and perhaps at some stage people invented the notion that when one died they either went to a better place or if they were bad went to a worse place?

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Well, the Founding Fathers were actually some of the most important first politicians of America, not writers of the Bible. George Washington is a founding father, not Moses.

Many people told me that the Founding Fathers wrote the Bible. o.O That's confusing. Thank you for that info. xD

itsy bitsy spider.:

Many people told me that the Founding Fathers wrote the Bible. o.O That's confusing. Thank you for that info. xD

itsy bitsy spider.:

Many people told me that the Founding Fathers wrote the Bible. o.O That's confusing. Thank you for that info. xD

The Bible may have been translated by them...but the original writers were not American...they were probably Middle Eastern. Or Greek. The Bible is a lot older than the New World.

^ I really, really don't think the Founding Fathers translated the Bible. Of course I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if I am. There are many translations, so I can't be sure.

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There's the Jefferson Bible, Thomas Jefferson's cut and paste version of the Bible, but it borders on heretical, if I understand correctly.

Careless Whisper.:

^ I really, really don't think the Founding Fathers translated the Bible. Of course I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if I am. There are many translations, so I can't be sure.

Lol, I was just responding to the other person's post :). I'm sure there's no official authorised version too.

^ lol. Yeah, I thought so.

dru protects herself:

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There's the Jefferson Bible, Thomas Jefferson's cut and paste version of the Bible, but it borders on heretical, if I understand correctly.

I guess I've never heard of that. I tend to stick with KJV or NLV though.

^Yeah, he cut out the majority of it, only keeping what he considered to be the important bits. Honestly, depending on the person, it can be kind of offensive. Like, it offends me, because he took my holy book and chopped it to bits because he was the one to decide what in it was important.

I don't believe in Heaven nor Hell but if I do decide to believe in them, I don't think Hell should even exist since that doesn't make God seem like "all loving" at all.

But I will stay on topic on this thread.

I think the O.P post already explains it all on what I "think".

Actually from my view, if God wasn't loving Hell wouldn't exist.

The Pies Endure:

Actually from my view, if God wasn't loving Hell wouldn't exist.

I'm not jumping into debate but that viewpoint sounds really interesting. Expand?

See you all in hell.